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September 17, 2006
What the Pope Said

Posted by Bill

Did Pope Benedict deliver a blistering critique of Mohammed's militarism and the structural primacy of Islam? Eh. Sort of. Not really.

Using the words, "jihad" and "holy war", the Pope quoted criticisms of the prophet Mohammed by a 14th century Byzantine Christian emperor, Manuel II, during a debate with a learned Persian.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted the emperor as saying.

His discourse Tuesday sought to delineate what he sees as a fundamental difference between Christianity's view that God is intrinsically linked to reason (the Greek concept of logos) and Islam's view that "God is absolutely transcendent." Benedict said that Islam teaches that God's 'will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality." The risk he sees implicit in this concept of the divine is that the irrationality of violence can potentially be justified if someone believes it is God's will.

The incendiary words in question were an illustrative historical quote that set the stage for a critique of irrational violence in the name of religion, specifically Islam. His surrounding exposition of the quote does not endorse the text of the quote itself, but does somewhat logically reinforce the view that Islam is a deterministic force, given the oft-noted self-reinforcing structure of the Koran that prioritizes obedience over reason. The media ledes have all characterized the speech as a harsh attack on Muslims. Predictably, many Muslim protests have turned angry and violent, the New York Times has rushed to condemn the speech and bloggers are crowing about the Pope's brave condemnation of the "true nature" of Islam.

But did anyone actually read it?

Here's the full text. Good luck: it's an interminably dense - painful, even - theological argument about how the concept of reason interacts with faith. The hyper-rationality of science to the exclusion of faith comes in for more critique than Islam, whose mention is almost an aside that prefaces this much longer treatise. David Warren provides a good analysis:

Here is the point Pope Benedict was making, also in the words of that learned Byzantine emperor, speaking on the eve of one of the many sieges of Constantinople:

"God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats. ... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death."

It is a point the Greek-educated and Christian emperor takes as self-evident, but which is not self-evident to a theology that holds God entirely beyond human reason, and says He may command whatever He commands, including conversion by force should He so will. As the Pope said, it is a conflict that stabs us once again today: Does God act with "logos"? (This is the Greek word for "reason" as well as "word") How do we defend this very Catholic (and Orthodox) idea outside the Church, where our own theological assumptions are not shared?

This was not a crude anti-Islamic polemic; nor was it so at the end of the 14th century. It was a quest for peace and amity, then as now.

So ironically, despite furious Muslim protests, the reflexive castigation of and hype by the media and head-bobbing blogger approval about the Pope's ostensibly harsh condemnation of Islam, Benedict was essentially dropping a dry scholarly argument discussing the challenges to achieving understanding - to varying degree among varying belief structures - in an age of reason.

And if you're not quite convinced, here's the Pope (being quoted and analyzed by Samir Khalil Samir, an Egyptian Jesuit) previously discussing how Christians and Muslims can find common ground to combat terrorism:

When Civilizations Meet: How Joseph Ratzinger Sees Islam
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"Dear friends, I am profoundly convinced that we must not yield to the negative pressures in our midst, but must affirm the values of mutual respect, solidarity and peace." And also:

"There is plenty of scope for us to act together in the service of fundamental moral values. The dignity of the person and the defence of the rights which that dignity confers must represent the goal of every social endeavour and of every effort to bring it to fruition."

And here we find a crucial sentence:

"This message is conveyed to us unmistakably by the quiet but clear voice of conscience. Only through recognition of the centrality of the person can a common basis for understanding be found, one which enables us to move beyond cultural conflicts and which neutralizes the disruptive power of ideologies."

Thus, even before religion, there is the voice of conscience and we must all fight for moral values, for the dignity of the person, the defence of rights.

Therefore, for Benedict XVI, dialogue must be based on the centrality of the person, which overrides both cultural and ideological contrasts. And I think that, getting under ideologies, religions can also be understood. This is one of the pillars of the pope's vision ...
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This echoes my argument against primarily viewing terrorism through a theological reading, though I'd add that "cultural" elements can also swing to our favor as seductive wares and ideas of the West come into contact with youth in the Islamic world (a phenomenon currently taking root in Iranian society). Samir goes on:

The essential idea is that dialogue with Islam and with other religions cannot be essentially a theological or religious dialogue, except in the broad terms of moral values; it must instead be a dialogue of cultures and civilizations.

This idea is something that Robert Spencer (and others) seem to be missing in their analysis of Islam, basically issuing impossible demands based on strict theological analysis. To wit, here's Spencer's criteria for engagement with Muslims:

As I have said many times, I am all for encouraging and working with moderate Muslims. But for their moderation to be effective, they have to confront, repudiate, and help other Muslims to repudiate the elements of Islam that are giving rise to violent fanaticism. Most self-proclaimed moderates instead simply deny those elements exist, while the mujahedin continue to use those same elements to recruit new members.

Three aspects that make this a difficult charge:

1. Focus on many unsavory elements in Judeo-Christian scripture simply faded away in the face of the influences of culture and era. Asking for official "repudiations" from "moderate Muslims" ignores the fact that hypocrisy and official religious doctrine often co-exist under the same roof, especially as modern society demands selective interpretation of contradictory religious text. By demanding direct repudiation as a precondition for engagement, Spencer closes the window on a type of natural religious evolution that has helped shaped the West's own faiths.

2. Whereas Christianity has large sects with hierarchical structures that interpret faiths for huge masses of followers, Islam is a splintered religion dominated by no central authorities. Therefore, while an extremely influential Ayatollah Sistani might issue the direct repudiations that Spencer demands, the act's impact on shaping the worldwide character of the faith would amount to draining the ocean with a bucket.

3. It's an irrational intellectual hubris for a Western theologian to demand repudiation of another religion's tenets. Do not equate this with a critique of repudiations of violence, which are a central component of the Pope's desire to achieve dialogue and amity through "broad moral values" - rather, it's a practical recognition that Robert Spencer's demands for Muslims to repudiate portions of Islam are, shall we say, less than compelling incentives. It's better to demand repudiations of behaviors that violate shared humanistic tendencies, which will in turn shape Islam without the frontal cultural assault.

The Pope gets this, I believe.

Was it somewhat impolitic or naive for the Pope, given his status as a hyper-analyzed world leader, to use that specific inflammatory quote as part of his larger argument? Maybe. But the argument itself - and the Pope's desire to engage Muslims outside of theology - requires no apology. First and foremost, agitated Muslims need to suck it up and learn to engage criticism without violence or hyperbole. Beyond that, everyone should probably read the speech before coming to a false conclusion.

UPDATE: Hot Air readers: see my response to Bryan's critique of this post.

UPDATE: I just realized that there may be some confusion, as Bryan references my quotation of Leviticus during my argument. In an initial draft (published for about a minute or two to enable a friend to proof), I'd mentioned Leviticus's harsh call to brutally execute homosexuals in an analogy designed to illustrate how certain scripture is deemphasized in light of culture and era. I'd removed this portion while still revising because I deemed it a distracting formulation open to almost the exact parry executed by Preston. Apparently he caught that briefly published version prior to edit. So, for the record, I think that he somewhat overplays the role of official abrogation in religion's evolution, but he does have a point, one I'd (almost) anticipated. This idea of official abrogation highlights challenges to official Islamic reform, as no central authorities speak for the Muslim world, and may have trouble challenging the official word of God if they did. No doubt this presents a huge challenge, but I find it to be one that supports my emphasis on finding common ground outside of theology. Apologies for any confusion.

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It's depressing that to even begin the conversation (with the greater "Muslim world") evokes death threats.

Posted by: Carin at September 18, 2006 10:42 AM

Definitely.

Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 18, 2006 02:04 PM

sorry, it is supremely stupid to attempt to open a socratic dialogue with irrelevant thousandyearold insults.
and, if his "excellency" was right, why apologize?
just what the world needs, more cheerleaders for the clash of civilizations.
u go guy.
not only did bendict's snakepoking get that poor nun killed, but just look at what the father of aardvarks has to say.

or perhaps benedict did it on purpose, not really caring if any of his flock got mowed down in his opening salvo.
just great, another bad shepherd.

Posted by: playah grrl at September 18, 2006 02:23 PM

I'm actually writing my thesis on the debate over theological voluntarism and determinism and its effects on the concept of the subject. I had mentioned in my prospectus that it was an arcane and rather middling area of inquiry...little did I know such inquiry could set off riots worldwide.

Posted by: Jason at September 18, 2006 03:18 PM

Playah grrl,

While the quote's use was impolitic, your assignation of blame (that "bendict's snakepoking (got) that poor nun killed) is ridiculous. Extremist maniacs got "that poor nun killed."

Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 18, 2006 03:58 PM

really?
lets do a simple einsteinian thought experiment.
lets say....the pope dint give a speech. or a speech without a thousandyearoldquote calling muhammed and islam "evil and inhuman".
would sister leonella be alive today? i think so.

Posted by: playah grrl at September 18, 2006 08:59 PM

why that quote?
is the pope stupid?
or was it a deliberate provocation?
u choose.
i think benedict is a cheerleader for the clash of civilizations, and it was deliberate.
like his predeccessor, benedict is a bad shepherd. he cares more about the Church than the sheep.

Posted by: playah grrl at September 18, 2006 09:02 PM

btw, i have a really good reply to capn ed, but it is trapped in Proteinwisdom hell, and cant get at it to move it to my own blog. ;)

Posted by: playah grrl at September 18, 2006 09:04 PM

and bill, im sure the pope is right, and u r right.
all i want is for our side to be a little smarter.
is it too much to ask?

Posted by: playah grrl at September 18, 2006 09:24 PM

No, that's reasonable.

Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 18, 2006 09:30 PM

playyah girl,
Let's imagine that a mullah made a similar comment about Catholicism, how many dead muslims would result?

Answer: none.

Killing people because of a rather turgid speech is not rational and its not rational to blame the Pope for the reaction of irrational people.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at September 18, 2006 09:47 PM

I tried to reply to you at PW nishi, what I said was you remind of some of the little hillbilly girls I grew up around apologizing for abusive boyfriends and spouses: "Don't tell him he's crazy and mean, it just makes him crazy and mean! It wuz my fault, I knowed better than to talk back to him."

You are smarter than this. Calling a snake a snake is different from poking a snake. Or stomping it's head in the dirt.

Posted by: B Moe at September 18, 2006 10:48 PM

B Moe, i rescued my post from PW hell, and dr. yes linked it.
u can argue here.

Posted by: playah grrl at September 19, 2006 12:13 AM

What is amazing to me is that the critics of the Pope just don't get it. We all have the capacity to act, react, proact, on what we see, hear, etc. The Pope's comments did nothing except to show how truly ignorant and violent Musims and their teachings are. They do not believe in dialogue or reason; all they want to do is kill or convert the "infidels", which is anyone other than Muslims. The Koran calls for all "good Muslims" to kill the infidels any chance they get, by whatever means necessary. We see this happening daily.
What the people of the world don't do is hold the Muslims RESPONSIBLE for their actions!! No matter what is said, or not said, they will find a reason to kill in the name of allah!
Anyone remember Beirut? What about the American Embassy in Africa? The hostages under Carter's watch? Whoever says that American foreign policy has caused these aholes to do what they do, is either ignorant or plain stupid. They don't need a reason, their god is above reason, so they can do whatever they desire, which is kill, in the name of their false god for no logical, rational reason.

Posted by: Matt Yates at September 19, 2006 03:02 PM

The Pope is a fat and i am a dumb. I went to wendys with him once and he said i was wendys MVP

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