I had picked up a 4-pack of Jones' Diet Cherry Soda and got home to find that someone swapped it out for grape.

Now I know who did it.

Seems to me that what Bruce Schneier has wrong is that terror is not the goal, either. Terror is the tactic. The strategy terror is supposed to support is to gain more power than their numbers, education, economics and technology could otherwise command. Not to mention their philosophy is shit.

The purpose of that strategy is to force other global powers and memes to relent enough to give them a foothold on the world and eventually take it.

Terror alone is very rarely a goal, or a purpose. Even if you implement a tactic successfully, it doesn't actually mean the tactic was a success in the sense that it supported your strategy or your goal.

9/11 was implemented successfully. The towers fell. The result was that they lost Afghanistan and Iraq. Taking an action that is intended to cause terror may simply result in causing fear. Though the act is considered terrorist the result is retaliation.

Since, they are weaker than we are in terms of means, alerting us to what they wanted was a bad use of their tactic, terrorism.

I can see both sides now thanks to this enlightened discussion. I was always of the opinion that if the terrorists really wanted to terrorize us, their next target(s) would be Middle America - Iowa, Kansas, etc. But clearly their aim is not simply terrorism; it's the stuff afterward as mentioned by Dork.

Still some of these folks clearly get off on terror as the goal instead of the means. If you're giving yourself willingly to the cause (i.e. blowing yourself up in a crowded market or plane), you must have a certain tendency toward the dramatic.

GAH ! Terror is a means, not an end. It seems many on both the left and the right love to put the cart in front of the horse on this one.

Doesn't much matter whether terrorism is their goal, or merely a tactic. They're using it, and it worked even though it was nothing more than a crazy, chemically implausible idea. Tens of millions of dollars of economic damage was caused (to be conservative), nevermind the cost of the moisture police and the iPod confiscators. It succeeded because people like Bush and the U.K. government hyped a crackpot scheme into a real threat. It would seem that the interests of the terrorists and the interests of the governments who fight them have been aligned. Both parties want people to be afraid of terrorists... one group because it causes huge economic damage to their target, and the other because it makes people more likely to support action against the terrorists.

Mark: I fail to see how potentially bringing down nine airliners and up to 4000 people can be dismissed as "a crackpot scheme". The fact these people were caught does not mean their weapons were insufficient to the task; let alone that catching one group of guys once means nobody will ever try the same tactic again.

Indeed, Flea. Maybe Mark doesn't realize that the origins of this plot are over 10 years old - and that in 1995 someone actually tested a small-scale device on an international flight. And killed a person when the device went off. But I bet he's heard the name of that someone somewhere before.

The fact these people were caught does not mean their weapons were insufficient to the task

The weapon was sufficiently powerful, but impractical. It's too volatile to assemble ahead of time, and it's too tedious a synthesis to do while in a flight. Did you read any of the links?

How many people they wanted to kill, and how long they've been planning it have nothing to do with feasibility.

I could plan to wipe out the state of Georgia by shooting everyone in the head with a nail gun, but would you worry?

I see.

So there never was a threat because the plan was too complicated to ever work or something, right? Four teams of terrorists would not have destroyed a single plane. I know I can believe you because you were right there saying, "Shit, I'll fly with these chuckleheads right now. I ain't scared."

That is your position, right, Courage McHugeballs?

BTW, throwing out your Evian is not "huge economic damage".

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4) Have you or a friend ever...sat idle while thousands of illegal immigrants marched in your city, disrupted your daily commute as they demanded rights, access to services and earned the disproportionate attention of YOUR ELECTED officials? Did you fall into stage three? Actually feeling sorry for the poor employers who have been forced to hire this labor pool so that they can compete with foreign-based businesses due to an unequal playing field constructed by YOUR ELECTED officials?

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