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August 15, 2006
Anti-Semitism and Free Speech

Posted by Dorkafork

An eloquent piece by Jamie Glassman, a writer for Da Ali G Show.

He went on to say how its illegal to deny the Holocaust in Austria. He has a good mind to go to Austria, stand in the street and say the Holocaust didn't happen so that he could get arrested and tell the judge he was talking about the Rwandan holocaust. Whether or not he thought there should be a law against going to Rwanda and denying that genocide, he didn't say.
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His joke is essentially one about freedom of speech and selective Jewish control of that freedom, but he gives the lie to his true feelings by his choice of example. Of all the possible targets, of all the things he might wish to say, his complaint is that he is not permitted to parrot the greatest anti-Semitic slur of the last hundred years -- that the Holocaust never happened. As a believer in free speech, I am not convinced by the criminalisation of Holocaust denial, but that does not mean I am confused about the motives of those who wish to utter it.

It's about examples of anti-Semitism at an Edinburgh arts festival. Read the whole thing. (via the politburo diktat.)

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"Read the whole thing"

Just so you know you can't push me around, I only read most of it.

Speaking of taboo busting, I dare you to watch this video. No, jewish jokes aren't the last taboo at all now, are they?

I think he's taking it the wrong way, and they are just jokes. Sure there is tons of anti-semetism, and tons of other kind of racism, but I believe joking about it shows more of a disdain for racism than belief in it's doctrine.

ps. Don't tell anyone I supplied you with that link.

Posted by: Kevin at August 15, 2006 08:11 PM

Kevin -

Sarah Silverman is usually making a joke about the racism in her own schtick. The column that dorkafork linked notes this difference in intent, though to be clear, I haven't seen the described stand-up routines. But if a writer for the Ali G Show is calling anti-semitism/racism, I'm inclined to believe ...

Posted by: Bill from INDC at August 15, 2006 09:10 PM

Agreed. I haven't seen them either. As a big fan of humor, I'm inclined to take jokes for their comedic value unless a multitude of jokes are against a single group (for example, Jo[h]n Stewart clearly dislikes conservatism and Drew Carey is not a fan of aging hippies). The point I was trying to make is that it takes a multitude of sets to reach that conclusion. Otherwise you might easily mislabel comedians as racist or bigots, when in fact they are only being funny.

I don't trust an op/ed to make that decision for me. And I certainly won't read a deeper underlying anti-semetism into it.

Posted by: Kevin at August 15, 2006 09:26 PM

i have to agree. i don't think holocaust denial should be illegal, but i'm not going to 'deny' the holocaust to make a point. and it is a good barometer too, as to a persons real beliefs...

Posted by: mlah [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 16, 2006 12:42 AM

Steven Hughes, one of the comics named in the piece, actually shows up in the comments at the link and defends himself fairly well*. I have a hard time imagining a defense for the other comic. And I think it's impossible to defend the "Throw them in the ovens" heckler.

It's a judgement call, and I think it crossed a line. Like in the movie The Producers, people watching the movie laugh at it. But there's a scene where the writer/Nazi is sitting in the audience grinning enthusiastically. I think the writer is describing that sort of reaction, where some of the people are enjoying it in a vastly different way from the rest of us.

* Of course you would've known that if you had read the whole thing LIKE I ORDERED YOU TO!

Posted by: dorkafork at August 16, 2006 12:44 AM

We will not bow down to THEMAN!

Posted by: Kevin at August 16, 2006 08:29 AM

For people who seem to be inteligent you are all starting with an assumption that is false.You seem to think that eliminating Jews from the planet is a bad thing. LOL.
If you are a Gentile, you have to be an idiot not to realize Jews are bad for you. Gentile equals riff raff. Or why do you think Jews took so much trouble to separate from you? 15 million of the elite and billions of us riff raff.Its an amazing joke that they get away with it. And get to call you anti-Semitic if you resent it.
Or to quote yahoodi, (google yahoodi one of the many Jewish self centered sites) us anti-Semites would be living in the dark ages without those elite Jews.YUP!!!

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