I think it's quite consistant-

1) The US may only send troops for military action when it does not directly advance our interests or those of our allies.

2)The US may only withdraw troops from military action when it does not advance our interests or those of our allies.

It's even simpler. "Whatever the Bush administration is doing, or thinking of doing, oppose it."

Two dorkafork posts in a row?!

I'm getting light-headed.

It makes perfect sense! It's okay, no, it's desirable to cut and run and waste those lost lives. It's not okay to achieve success if it means we don't get to avenge those lost lives.

/splodey-brain

The Dems keep saying, "We cannot win this militarily," and they're right, although for reasons other than they think - a political solution is needed too.

Anmesty would be part of that political solution, as it often is.

So, of course, they're against it.

Their policy is more than incoherent, it's obtuse, cynical, and opportunistic, and probably a lot of other things too.

Could be a desperate and misguided attempt to get to the "right" of the administration.

You mean a political move that's is merely an attempt to make the Democratic party look "Smart. Strong." on national security? Naaaahhhh...

You know I hate to be so cynical, but I think it could be.

You guys are making this too complicated, the Dems policy is to stamp their feet and shout "No!"

Well, and to allow lunatics like this (http://tinyurl.com/osqyq) to destroy any chance they have of getting elected.

It's standard street talk. Slowly leave the battlefield, but talk shit the whole time you are retreating.

This is an absolute disgrace. Amnesty has proven highly sucessful in the past, most notably after the Civil War, and is absolutely necessary to resolve the situation in Iraq and expiate the reduction of American forces. The Dems attack on it not only contradicts their entire platform (assuming such a thing even exists), but is utterly cynical. They know that most Americans won't like granting
Amnesty to people that have killed American troops and are determine to milk that for all they can, regardless of the effect on the war effort. They demonstrate not only why the cannot be trusted on foreign policy, but also reveal themselves to be little more than a junta of morally bankrupt and opportunistic demagouges.

It makes perfect sense to for the Dems to adopt this policy. Look at it this way,

1) The majority of the Dems have been against the war in Iraq from the beginning - even though they voted for it.

2) Ever since we defeated Saddam's forces in the field and began the longer struggle to stamp out the insurgency and build a democracy in Iraq they've been shouting we'd fail (or we'd already failed).

3) With each successive election in Iraq the Dem leadership became even more shrill, and more insistent that we withdraw from Iraq since, according to them, we could never win in Iraq.

4) In the past few months as Iraq sat on the precipice of a civil war between the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds, the Dems demanded publicly that we withdraw from Iraq since it was on the verge of a civil war and we couldn't win in Iraq and it's a waste of American lives to remain.

What's happened since then? The Iraqi Government filled its last remaining openings, Zarqawi was killed, US and Iraqi forces made major gains against the insurgents from data captured at Zarqawi's safe house, documents were released showing Saddam had large stockpiles of Chem weapons, and two separate Democratic resolutions to set a time table for troop withdrawals were shot down by large margins in the Senate.

We've reached a real tipping point in Iraq. It's becoming clear that it's the insurgents who can't win in Iraq as more and more provinces are being turned over to Iraqi forces to police. The terrorists and insurgents are fighting each other as well as the Iraqi government, and while the leadership of those organizations is in shambles the Iraqi government is becoming more cohesive and effective. Recently leaked information on the U.S. military bringing equipment home is a sign that we've on the cusp of major troop withdrawals. ones that aren't based on JFK's or Murtha's "We Can't Win" redeployment proposals.

So it should come as no surprise that the Dems oppose amnesty and want us to remain in a low-yield conflict, because the one thing the Dems really fear is that we will be successful in Iraq and that success will reflect back positively on Bush. They have a three year investment in telling anyone who would listen that the invasion was a mistake and we could never win, so the anything that might increase the odds that we actually will win - like an amnesty offer that would gut the insurgent forces and further isolate Al Qaeda in Iraq, must be opposed.

Democrats oppose amnesty because the ungrateful Sunni insurgents demanded that US troops leave in two years instead of the 18 months that is Democrat policy.

What I don't understand is the clause offering "in state tuition rates" to foreign insurgents.

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