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January 31, 2006
The Haleigh Poutre Case

Posted by Bill

Cathy Young is correct: Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo:

To put it simply: Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo. Schiavo had been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and had undergone a barrage of tests showing that she had no higher brain functioning and no consciousness—a fact on which all unbiased medical experts agreed. (Her case had also undergone repeated court review.) Haleigh had been in a vegetative state since Sept. 11. After the Supreme Judicial Court ruled that she could be taken off life support, the girl began to show improvement.
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The ‘’save Terri” brigade turned a tragedy into a macabre circus. Politicians such as Representative Tom Delay, a Texas Republican, and pundits such as Fox News’s Sean Hannity embraced patently absurd claims that Schiavo was able to communicate and even talk. They made wildly misleading claims about the medical credentials of ‘’experts” who said Schiavo could be conscious. They asserted that Schiavo’s coma may have been caused by abuse from her husband, Michael.

With their cries of ‘’medical terrorism” and their comparisons to Nazi Germany, these so-called champions of life created an atmosphere in which some of their supporters made death threats not only to Michael Schiavo but to judges and legislators who had been on the ‘’wrong” side of the dispute.

This kind of support is the last thing Haleigh Poutre needs. Haleigh’s cause should be championed—by those who have the moral authority and the credibility to speak about it. This case raises many disturbing issues, from the efficacy of child protection to care for comatose patients. It deserves to be in the spotlight; it does not deserve to be turned into Terri Schiavo II.

(Via John Cole, whose excerpting I stole as well)

And following Young's comparison, Michael Schiavo is no Jason Strickland (Haleigh Poutre's ultra-violent father). My favorite bit of Ideo-logic coming out of this case was Ace's oblique comparison of the two:

Yes, yes, that's terribly reductive, I know. But I do think it's interesting that a court can spot a conflict-of-interest, but only when the purported guardian with the conflict-of-interest is in favor of keeping the patient alive.

Interesting, indeed.

Oh no, no, not the idea that "a court" (all courts?) has some consistency in pulling the plug (in two cases), conveniently finding conflict-of-interest "only" when ruling in favor of THE CULTURE OF DEATH.

What's really "interesting" is Ace - clearly an intelligent guy - finding at least somewhat equivalent, no-brainer conflict-of-interest designations between Michael Schiavo - who, whatever you think of him personally, broke no law and stood to gain no money at the end of the litigation while acting as the legal guardian designated by Florida law - and Haleigh Poutre's father, who burned and beat his child with a baseball bat, and clearly needs to keep her alive to "avoid a murder rap," as Ace notes.

Thus, I'm not following. But I'm a simple man, whose unflagging love for THE CULTURE OF DEATH tends to cloud my thinking with wondrously macabre visions of the state killing comatose children, the infirm, the handicapped, the elderly, the vestigial-tailed, the otherwise genetically imperfect, and, one day - one brilliant, shining day - men that highlight their hair like Ryan Seacrest. Plus, I'm told that jackboots give you like 3 inches in height, and I need all the help I can get.

Thanks a bunch, Darwin.

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I find it interesting that I've only heard the pro-death side bringing up Terri Schiavo.

Michael Schiavo had already sucked the pot dry, so there was no longer anything to gain in keeping his wife alive. And IMO it's worth much more investigation to see how much of a role he played in her initial trauma. As such, yes, he had one hell of a conflict of interest based on what was known while TS was still alive.

Posted by: J Bowen at February 2, 2006 12:33 PM

I find it interesting that I've only heard the pro-death side bringing up Terri Schiavo.

Er ... did you read the piece by Ace THAT I LINKED IN MY POST? The one that BROUGHT UP TERRY SCHIAVO?

And IMO it's worth much more investigation to see how much of a role he played in her initial trauma.

Because you want it to be true.

The cause of the cardiac arrest which felled Schiavo 15 years before she died has never been determined. Aside from a localized, healed inflammation, the cardiac pathologist who studied Schiavo's heart found it and the coronary vessels to be healthy. Although it was widely speculated that Schiavo suffered from an eating disorder that caused a serious electrolyte disturbance, stopping her heart, the autopsy itself showed little evidence to support this claim. The examiners also found no evidence that Schiavo had been the victim of trauma (such as domestic violence).

Posted by: Bill from INDC at February 2, 2006 01:27 PM

Actually, I read Cathy's, Cole's and yours, after reading a number of conservative sites that were silent. Fine, you have one for the other side in Ace. Clearly I was speaking of my experience and not representing it as a scientific poll.

Now let's see if I'm characterizing *you* fairly. Are you saying that abuse allegations need not be investigated immediately, because the necessary evidence will still be around 15 years later? If not, then what's the point of bringing up the alleged lack of evidence of trauma?

How about a nice hard smack in the sternum? It doesn't take broken ribs to stop the heart, yet it could be restarted. Any bruises found at the time might be attributed to resuscitation efforts. Would a medical examiner be able to tell what had happened 15 years later?

It all boils down to whether you trust Michael Schiavo. I don't. Meanwhile, let's see what happens in his new marriage...

Posted by: J Bowen at February 2, 2006 02:06 PM

J Bowen -

Now you are altering the implication of your vague words. You said:

And IMO it's worth much more investigation to see how much of a role he played in her initial trauma.

Note that you did not specify "that abuse allegations ... be investigated immediately." So no, you aren't even coming close to characterizing me fairly, much less characterizing your comments.

And by the way, what compelling basis for abuse allegations causing her death were there? Other than that you don't like Michael Schiavo's actions after the fact? Cardiac arrest is not something that's auto-associated with abuse, and you default to assume that the physicians that examined her at the time of her collpase did an incompetent job in ascertaining obvious causes of her attack (evidence of severe trauma about the chest, for example).

So no, it does not all boil down to whether or not you trust Michael Schiavo, it boils down to whether you distrust the police, doctors, guardians and other individuals involved in the case from start to finish. I don't have unwavering faith in them, but I'm closer to that than defaulting the other way.

In addition, you say a number of conservative sites were silent in a Schiavo comparison, but I've already noted Ace. How about Michelle Malkin?

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004316.htm

Posted by: Bill from INDC at February 2, 2006 04:33 PM

Bobby Schindler, who is Terri Schindler Schiavo's brother, wrote a reply to Cathy Youngs article on terrisfight.org.

Cathy Young is wrong about Terri.

Read Bobby Schindlers letter and finally learn the truth about Terri!

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