B-b-b-ut the NIE was 100 pages long! Who could expect anyone to actually read it?

This is the crucial point: these Democrats did not have "access to the same intelligence." The White House did send Congress a classified National Intelligence Estimate, at nearly 100 pages long, as well as a much shorter executive summary. It could have been (and no doubt was) predicted that very few lawmakers would take the time to read the whole document. The executive summary painted the findings in overly stark terms.

Furthermore,

And even the NIE did not cite the many dissenting views within the intelligence. community.

...and, as you know, Senators don't have access to intelligence other than what's included in the NIE.

Oh wait, yes they do. Never mind.

very slick. but when the gist of the argument is -- "we were ALL dead wrong about WMDs", it's hard for people not to ascribe blame to somebody for being wrong. clinton et al. said all that stuff but they didn't invade iraq, whether they should have or not.

IMHO, bush's pushback starting at tobyhanna doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.

but when the gist of the argument is -- "we were ALL dead wrong about WMDs", it's hard for people not to ascribe blame to somebody for being wrong.M/i>

1. Correct: it's called the intelligence community.

Because in light of September 11, with the analysis of the intelligence community being that Iraq was developing WMD and flouting the will of the int'l community, a very cogent case could be made that it would be negliegent for Bush not to take action.

2. In addition, your comment intimates that all of the quotes on WMD were from a previous administration; in fact, some were actually from the run-up to the war itself, from lawmakers that explicitly authorized the use of force, and thus bear about as much direct responsibility for the decision as the President.

3. The video is intended to combat WMD revisionism, a major component for which is the "Bush lied" or "Bush misled the American people" meme. No matter how one assigns blame for the decision to invade in light of no WMD (a more complex issue), this video specifically refutes the dishonesty accusation by revisiting quotes from those that employ the slur, individuals that had access to similar resources.

Advantage: Bill from INDC.

:)

Well, I thought the coup de grace was using the bass riff from Traffic's "Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" as the background music.

nice counter

Which do you guys think is the more accurate description for going from "Bush Lied about the intelligence" to "Bush didn't lie about the intelligence but went to war which was bad"?

1) "Backing down"
2) "Changing the subject"

And I think at least four of the Senators in that video were on the Senate Select Committee during the run-up to the war. (Levin, Rockefeller, Bayh, and Edwards). Could be wrong.

it's called the intelligence community.

if true, why isn't bush pointing that out, then? and making heads roll over at the CIA. he needs some patriotic fall guys. doesn't it seem that the pre-9/11 intelligence did not imply such a pressing need to invade iraq? at least i keep seeing some tenet and powell quotes in that vein being thrown about.

your comment intimates that all of the quotes on WMD were from a previous administration; in fact, some were actually from the run-up to the war itself

i didn't intend that; you are right. but my prior point is still correct -- even if Dems are complicit -- people look for someone more specific to blame. i didn't thank tip o'neill for economic success in the 80s. the dems did go along with bush; no one wanted to be perceived as soft on terror during the 2002 elections. neither party wants to admit they used iraq and terrorism to pander for votes.

The video is intended to combat WMD revisionism, a major component for which is the "Bush lied" or "Bush misled the American people" meme.

the left's response here seems to be that Bush had access to more intelligence than Congress. I don't know whether that is true or not, but it sounds like it should be true. Which is why people will think it is true.

Dork added: Which do you guys think is the more accurate description for going from "Bush Lied about the intelligence" to "Bush didn't lie about the intelligence but went to war which was bad"?

Could also be a third: the left is salivating and thinks they can change the public's view about going to war in the first place.

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