The part that's mind-boggling is the "We had a plan to invade Iraq _before_ 9/11" claim.

Its from the Land of Duh.
As a pro-Defense person, I'd expect that we have _some_ plan for invading every single country on the CIA's 'State Sponsor of Terrorism' list, a plan for Taiwan/China, a plan to assist Japan/South Korea, an invasion plan for North Korea. Probably a slew of plans for various African countries too.

There's a difference between 'a plan', 'a detailed plan', and 'what happened'.

I can see Al Gore having a cow that we actually have a plan (or three) for invading, say, Cuba. But hey - that's precisely what's cost the D's two Presidential elections. You have a problem when "being prepared" is equated with "being overly threatening".

It's all about how you parse it:

Did we have a plan to invade Iraq before 9/11? Of course we did. Do we have a plan to invade Venezuala? Iran? Of course we do. That's basic armed forces prep.

Did we PLAN on invading Iraq before 9/11? Was this part of Bush's first term agenda? Magic 8-Ball says: Signs point to yes. To take the counterfactual, even without a major terror attack on American soil Bush would have tried his hardest to convince the nation to invade Iraq. For democracy, for oil, for daddy, for whatever; the intent was there.

it really is pushing things to say bush "lied." even if there was manipulation (be it intentional manipulation, or more of a post-9/11 'don't these signs all look ominous now' kind of mindset) i don't believe bush was conciously aware of it. if the the failure to recruit a larger coalition of the willing made him pause at any point.

Moebius:

even without a major terror attack on American soil Bush would have tried his hardest to convince the nation to invade Iraq.

It would be useful if you provided some actual evidence in support of these self-serving lefty talking points.

Sinbad:

Because Bush is an evil Chimpy Shrub.

QED.

Moebius, you start to make sense but rapidly abandon it and dive off the side of the cliff into lunacy. George Bush went into office in January 2001 intending to make his mark in the Presidency in domestic policy. This was very clear by his early moves in office. The Bush administration was gearing up for its domestic policy agenda especially on tax policy. And in fact, during the finger pointing immediately after 9/11, Clinton officials claimed that few people in the Bush administration were interested in their foreign policy / terrorism discussions either with respect to Iraq or Al Queda. Some of that was their pathetic excuses for their own nearly 8 years of inaction but obviously they were observing the relative priorities of the Bush appointees.

Thinking that there was some ulterior plan on George Bush's part to invade Iraq is just complete stupidity at best, and most likely just rabid insanity.

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