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Humor and Intelligent Design (UPDATED with Atheism as Religion?)
Posted by Bill ... pulled from the work of Douglas Adams: Douglas Adams' book and cult radio show The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (now made into a film) discusses the Babel fish, a marvellous creature that, when inserted into the ear canal, allows the wearer to understand any language in the Universe. Pan-galactic philosophers find the Babel fish so expertly designed for its task as universal interpreter that it can, in a bizarre twist of logic, be used to prove the non-existence of God. Read the rest. I made a similar argument back in June: Who designed the designer? And why must we have a supposedly scientific answer, despite the fact that such an ultimate conclusion can only now be realized via faith and completely subjective reasoning, two human traits that largely fall outside of the mandate of true scientific inquiry. (Ah, repeats) But take heart, faith-based readers - in the rest of the piece, the author goes on to take a few very reasonable swipes at the politically correct scientific orthodoxy and reveals Adams' plan for the aforementioned atheistic riddler of God to go on to prove black is white and thus meet an ironically grisly end at a newly deadly zebra crossing. UPDATE: The Raving Atheist has an interesting post putting forth the postion that Atheism is not another belief structure comparable to religious belief (in the context of a story about atheistic prison inmates seeking religious benefits). I selectively disagree and stick up for theism (uh, sort of) in a pair of comments under the post. Might as well edit them into a rambling, barely coherent post: First comment (slightly edited): (Addressing the Raving Atheist's metaphorical example): ”Christians don’t believe in the Wizard of Oz -- is that non-belief their “religion”?) Yes, but you know who wrote, produced and directed the Wizard of Oz. You have evidence of the actors that played the roles, and the exact soundstage it was filmed on. It is empirically true that it is a work of fiction, with roots not lost to the sands of time. Now, while you can also apply this skeptical standard to religious tomes like the Bible (even without possessing all of the contrary evidentiary specifics, this comparison passes the logical smell test), many of the appropriate pieces of the puzzle are lost (authorship, for one). Still, I'd agree that this is a tenable comparison. But, go one step further and address the existence of "God," a sweeping spiritual concept that can be independent of the tenets of a specific mythology - one that doesn't pass the Wizard of Oz test. A Creator. A Supreme Being, etc. From an evolutionary perspective, man has a natural proclivity to embrace worship of a higher power or a guiding spiritual concept. In addition, tabling the minutiae of written (man-made) mythologies that claim to know specifics about God's origin, character, flowing beard and six arms, etc., your Wizard of Oz comparison fails because we know exactly zero about such a supernatural force, except that historically, and from a perspective of evolutionary biology, man tends to be wired for "faith," and we have little in the empirical world that addresses the "why" of man's existence and purpose (which seems a fairly nagging question). In this setting, without falsifiability of a higher power, I don't think that it's unreasonable to view militant (raving) atheism as a "faith" in the (strictly) tangible, the knowable, to the aggressive exclusion of everything that is not knowable. And the problem with this absolute materialism is, there is still a hell of a lot that is unknowable. Hence, an alternate hedged distinction of literal agnosticism sprinkled with detached atheistic tendencies seems slightly less "faith-based." Second comment, responding to commenter "Sportin' Life's" unkind call of "bullshit" on my assertion that "From an evolutionary perspective, man has a natural proclivity to embrace worship of a higher power or a guiding spiritual concept:" I call "bullshit" on calling "bullshit." Just one examination of this claim by noted cognitive scientist Steven Pinker (that actually doubts faith as a specific evolutionary adaptation, yet still effectively illustrates my point): Do we have a “God gene,” or a “God module”? I'm referring to claims that a number of you may have noticed. Just last week, a cover story of Time magazine was called "The God Gene: Does our deity compel us to seek a higher power?" Believe it or not, some scientists say yes. And a number of years earlier, there were claims that the human brain is equipped with a “God module,” a subsystem of the brain shaped by evolution to cause us to have a religious belief. "Brain's God module may affect religious intensity," according to the headline of the Los Angeles Times. In this evening's talk, I want to evaluate those claims. The fact that tendency towards "irrational" or spiritual belief is a human constant clearly raises evolutionary biology issues. And this is even observed among strident atheists, many of whom search out secular manifestations (political ideologies, causes, for example) to satisfy this universal human impulse to attain "meaning greater than oneself." Pinker doesn't completely buy it as an evolutionary "religious" imperative, as he states in his conclusion: To sum up. The universal propensity toward religious belief is a genuine scientific puzzle. But many adaptationist explanations for religion, such as the one featured in Time last week, don't, I think, meet the criteria for adaptations. There is an alternative explanation, namely that religious psychology is a by-product of many parts of the mind that evolved for other purposes. Among those purposes one has to distinguish the benefits to the producer and the benefits to the consumer. Religion has obvious practical effects for producers. When it comes to the consumers, there are possible emotional adaptations in our desire for health, love and success, possible cognitive adaptations in our intuitive psychology, and many aspects of our experience that seem to provide evidence for souls. Put these together and you get an appeal to a mysterious world of souls to bring about our fondest wishes. But while I find the particulars and information in his treatise very interesting, I find his contextual conclusion a bit semantical - he's arguing that evolutionary tendency toward religious belief is an indirect byproduct of various other adaptations tied directly to evolutionary biology. To which I say, "fine." But given the muddled and complex nature of determining causality in specific behavioral traits related to evolutionary adaptation and the near universal drive towards belief in the irrational or spiritual across all cultures, his distinction is practically tenuous. It can be argued that it's terribly subjective, really, as we always make terribly subjective assumptions about how any human behaviorial traits are adaptive, and I repeat, these inferences about behavior are all based on a maddeningly complex set of biological and environmental factors. So while a hubristic individual like (the commenter "Sportin' Life") might aggressively dismiss the idea that religion (or spiritual belief) is a trait supported by evolutionary validation, because, you know, (he's) terribly arrogant and all, in practical terms it's a nearly universal tendency among humans, and thus, from an argumentative standpoint, theists can point to a stunning catalogue of historical constancy to buttress their position about the importance (and derived credence) of faith. And this puts atheists in an interesting position, as they opt out of the common methodology of fulfilling a rather compelling human tendency to believe in something that makes life "important," by lending the individual meaning beyond the "self." Me personally? I sublimate tradional belief systems like the whole "Body of Christ," etc. mythology into collecting hummels of adorable children and animals. And as another example, perhaps it spiritually comforts a fellow like "Sportin' Life" to be a sneering punk. Whatever successfully lends the individual place, purpose and peace, I suppose ... Posted by Bill at October 18, 2005 09:16 PM | TrackBack (4) Trackback PingsTrackBack URL for this entry: CommentsYour argument, Bill, of "who designed the designer?" is actually a criticism of Aquinas' "First Mover" theory in that Aquinas believed that there must be a progenitor to the effects of the creation we witness; i.e., your argument implies that there would be a logically infinite regress in determining an ultimate Creator--there is no "First" mover, but, rather, this, "Mover" could be traced, ad infinitum, back to another. Fine enough. Although the argument that, "Intelligent design [posits]the idea that humanity and the world are so intricate that there must be a creator behind it all," per Anselm, is usually predicated on the supposition of the "watch on the beach" type argument and thus, merely inductive, or at the very least, a weak argument by analogue, also remains unreliable. But there is another. ID, as such, has been prohibitivley restricted to physical effects--the manifestations of nature. However, a presumed Creator would construct not only the physical world, but also the mental and psychic one as well, no? I'm not saying that ID should be equally considered alongside evolution in schools nationwide--we are in a different discipine now, and not the realm of hard science. Nor am I saying that it's teaching should be regarded as a discipline equal to science-it should not: science is theory, tested by review and proven among competent peers. Posted by: T. Marcell at October 19, 2005 05:22 AM Theology and it's child, philosophy, should remain outside the scientific curriculum. Yes. Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 19, 2005 05:31 AM In the posthumously published "A Salmon of Doubt," one of Adams lectures/speeches (or some such--I forget exactly, it's been a while) details his own personal philosophy. Basically, he was a raging atheist who finds religious people very silly. He then goes on to back it up with strikingly clear logic. A good read. Posted by: Beck at October 19, 2005 08:13 AM As someone very familiar with the HHGTG books, I can quote almost almost verbatim the next passsage, which is somewhat illuminating: "Oh, that was nothing," says Man, and goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next pedestrian crossing. Adams, the absurdist, was pointing out the absurdity of trying to prove God does or does not exist. The best arguments against God are the weak anthropic principle in cosmology and the random reinforcement principle in psychology. If God exists, he requires faith, not proof. ID belongs in Sunday school. Posted by: TallDave at October 19, 2005 10:08 AM On your update: Is atheism a religion? Nah. Is it a belief? Yeah, I think so. Den Beste had a great post on the subject back in 2003. Within it, he responds to The Raving Atheist's characterization of atheism as a "true, provable theory." Posted by: Hubris at October 19, 2005 10:29 AM I consider myself very religious but I wish that my fellow Christians would just let this ID thing go. It's embarrassing. And I don't want schools teaching religion because if it's like any other subject public schools get their hands on, they'll just make the kids hate it anyway. Posted by: cassandra at October 19, 2005 12:22 PM That was one of Den Beste's best posts. Definitely worth the read. Posted by: TallDave at October 19, 2005 02:25 PM And just try to get service on a being who vanishes in a puff of logic: There are jurisdictional issues, as the Romanian Orthodox Church apparently is not listed as registered agent. Posted by: SarahW at October 19, 2005 02:28 PM Cassandra has a very good observation: if schools get hold of I.D., they'll twist it inside out. Let us teach our own children. As for evolution, it's got at least as many holes as I.D., yet, because it is paramount to socialist philosophy, it will never disappear. (Don't everyone get on me for saying anyone who believes in evolution is a socialist. But one cannot be a socialist without believing in evolution.) As for faith vs. proof, if one is a Christian, the faith is there. Proof means nothing to the faithful, because proof does not equal belief in the supremacy of God. Ask Satan. 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