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March 30, 2005
Schiavo FAQ (UPDATED)

Posted by Bill

John Hawkins offers up a partial Terri Schiavo FAQ.

Football Fans for Truth has an FAQ with a slightly different angle here, with addendum here.

And Boyd offers up a typically thoughtful post:

Let me state right off the bat that I tend to think the best of people. I believe that people in general support what they believe to be "right," without a cynical veil or filter to support a particular end, and disregarding the means to achieve the desired result. My attitude applies generally to politicians, judges and the population at large.

On the other hand, I also believe that people tend to be lazy (and I'm one of the best examples of this). Most folks tend to take whatever they hear at face value after passing it through the filter of their own beliefs and biases. In contrast to the above paragraph, I believe this tends to be applicable to the public at large as well as politicians, but less so to judges.

The common theme between these two positions is a lack of maliciousness. Relatively few people base their beliefs and actions maliciously. If there's blame to be assigned for taking the "wrong" position on a topic, it's much more likely that they're too lazy to look into the matter than because they want to cause someone harm. Selfishness often comes into play as well, but I still put it into the "non-malicious" category.

Read the whole thing.

UPDATE: Apparently, I'm headed for the "HundredPercenter Trash Can." The subtext of that post: "Hillary '08!"

Posted by Bill at March 30, 2005 08:28 AM | TrackBack (6)

Comments

Looks like you're in good company. I'd take it as a source of pride to be delinked by someone on the basis of an "agree with me on this issue or I'll never listen to me again" threat. There is actually a principled position opposing the Schindlers, you know. And it's not "we want her to die."

Posted by: Fred [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 11:12 AM

100%er says: "As far as my blogging is concerned, I generally try to link to websites that share my ideologies."

So, if ideology must prevail over all rational thought and analysis, you are certainly guilty.

And LGF is on the blacklist too?!!? I consider him pretty conservative (is that up for debate?). All he said was "My opinion is that it’s singularly unwise for the federal government to become involved in what should be a private matter between the families and their doctors. If I seem reluctant to write about this, it’s because I am. I’ve had personal experience of similar situations (which will remain private), and I’m extremely uncomfortable with the idea of passing judgment on any of the people involved in this case—and extremely turned off by the media swarm"

For that he says: "In an email, I’ve now been called a Nazi and told that I have a “kill the innocent campaign.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15186&only=yes

Posted by: milowent [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 01:07 PM

I wonder if HundredPercenter is a fan of Oliver Willis, because this is positively Willis-esque. Agree with me on everything or you're not a real _______!

Posted by: Hubris [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 01:13 PM

Couldn't agree more that the guvment should stay out of our private lives and decisions on medical care should be left to families and the medical community. This goes for abortion too. Lawyers and judges should stay out of it as should all the other nosy-parker busybodies.

Unfortunately, Terri's case has deteriorated into a partisan battle with the left thinking to make poltical hay out of her condition by blaming the religious right and by extension President Bush for forcing their religious views on the rest of us.

It's far too late after almost two weeks with no food or water to attempt to hook her up again. That would be too cruel. May this poor woman be allowed to die in peace and may her erstwhile husband enjoy the rest of his life knowing that his newfound riches were purchased by his wife's suffering.

I suggest that Chevy Chase play Schiavo in the made for TV movie.

Posted by: erp [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 01:46 PM

Wow, I just wonder if 100%er is actually Oliver Willis. Seriously, an "agree with me 100% of the time or you're on the other side" is a hallmark of totalitarian states, going back to the French Revolution, where people would be beheaded for not being enthusiasticly enough pro-head lopping off.

Posted by: rbj [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 02:30 PM

Pfftttt. Big loss. The guy has behaved like a self-righteous ass, running around Ace of Spades insulting everyone who disagrees with him.

He's a loud-mouthed oaf, nothing more.

And for the record, I disagree with you on Terri Schiavo. Think I'll keep you on my blogroll, though.

Posted by: The Warden [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 03:24 PM

You're just an apologist for death merchants, that's what you are.

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 03:38 PM

delinking is nothing, actually. but what will the punishment be for
this guy?

warning, may offend some, but i found it funny, sorry.

Posted by: milowent [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 05:04 PM

While I agree with you on the lunacy of insisting on 100% lockstep conformity on every issue, and am uncomfortable with some of the arguments being raised by Republicans on the Schiavo case I do wish you'd stop the "You'd better let me disagree or I'll support Hillary '08!" nonsense as well. It comes off as petulant rather than humorous. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not being serious.

Posted by: Pat Curley [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 30, 2005 05:30 PM

My views on Terri are on view on my blog, but I think this "single issue" nonsense when all the blogs listed by 100%er, while disagreeing on the Schiavo case, did it from respectable, reasonable and honorable positions. How can one have a snit fit over that?

Sheesh...must be a pretty empty dining table at Christmas time in the 100%er house, what with the "never darken my door again!" with family/friends who disagree on whether the salad fork goes inside or outside the dinner fork ...

PS... I agree that in the best of circumstances that Terri's care had been a private family matter. But there was a dispute about it, and our judiciary is SUPPOSED to be there to resolve disputes, rather than families falling onto each other with knife and tong to settle it themselves.

Posted by: Darleen [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 12:32 AM

Pat -

I do wish you'd stop the "You'd better let me disagree or I'll support Hillary '08!" nonsense as well. It comes off as petulant rather than humorous. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not being serious.

First of all, your tone annoys me. Second, I'm not opining that "nyah, nyah, I'm gonna vote for Hillary!" and even when I did make that implication in a post, I quickly retracted it as fun hyperbole (though I'm sure that there is some conceivable situation where I'd be forced to).

What I'm saying - and it's not "nonsense," rather perfectly serious - is that if these right wing extremists that don't tolerate dissent among their own natural allies on other issues continue to foam at the mouth like idiots, Hillary Clinton will get elected.

This Schiavo situation is having a greater impact on the public's perception of the "right wing" (whatever that is) than many realize.

So, if you reread my post, I said that the "subtext" of his post is "Hillary '08!" As in, I'm not leading the cheer, he is.

Got it?

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 07:14 AM

This Schiavo situation is having a greater impact on the public's perception of the "right wing" than many realize.

For better or worse the "right wing" is less inclined to put up a false facade to hide behind than the "left wing". From my perspective preventing the kooks from driving away the moderates is more important than the other way around. In this case that means sending a message to the kook base to behave or else. On the other hand, that message should not come from the moderates.

As long as the message is being sent (it is) the moderates should ignore the kooks except for the occasional smirk.

Posted by: boris [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 07:58 AM

It is too late to argue if the state should stay out a the decision to kill Mrs. Schiavo. The state is the party killing Mrs. Schiavo. The issue has not been private at least since Mr. Schiavo asked George Greer to kill his wife for him.

Posted by: David [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 08:24 AM

Just by the way, IS there a "right to life" in this country? Apparently there is a right to die. I've been hearing about that one for 20 years now, and we have seen it illustrated today. I realize the Preamble is not binding...but is there in fact a right to life? Just curious. May be all bogus.

Posted by: cassandra [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 10:50 AM

Fair enough, Bill; I was just putting this together with an earlier post where you certainly stated that you were considering going over to the dark side. I apologize for misreading that into your post.

There are zealots among the Republicans and perhaps those people are getting a little overconfident and think "If you're not with us on this issue, go ahead and vote for Hillary." My attitude is more "If you vote for our guy, I'll happily ignore any 'apostasy' on other issues."

Posted by: Pat Curley [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 11:29 AM

I realize the Preamble is not binding...but is there in fact a right to life?

There was until today.

I feel 100%er's anguish myself. However, I think his approach is counter-productive.

Equally unconstructive, however, seems to me the vilification of those who tried every legal means to save Terri's life - whether by labeling us as "kooks" or suggesting it was somehow illegitimate to stand up for her right to life.

National Review has a sobering take on the meaning of Terri's death:

"Next time it will be easier. It always is."

Posted by: LagunaDave [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 11:40 AM

Is Mr. Percenter 9 years old... going home and taking his marbles too... that will teach us not to ever disagree with him on ANYTHING, ever. Loser. Man, I was so pumped after the election. We were talking about making tax cuts permanent... maybe pull 4% out of this compulsory Social(ist) Security scam we're all stuck in... but no... instead the full force of the Nation... President, Congress... is mobilized to "SAVE TERRI"... maybe we should have sent some Marines in??? -- well it's over now folks. Terri is at rest and we Republicans must get back to our agenda. It's hard for me to imagine congress getting anything done on Social Security (or Immigration, or Taxes) now... I doubt they'll have an all night session to debate those things... I doubt President Bush will cut his vacation short to get those things done. What a waste. I'm disgusted. In football terms, we just fumbled on our own 20 yard line.

Posted by: Marty5220 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 01:27 PM

Theresa Schiavo was not denied her "right to life", she was allowed to exersize her "right to privacy" [under Florida's Constitution and court decisions] which included refusing sustenance (actually medical treatment).

The court held a trial, evaluated testimony, and decided that there was clear and convincing evidence that Theresa would not want to exist as she currently was and would exersize her right to refuse feeding. Therefore, the court was enforcing Theresa's desires as best it could determine. If the trial did not result in clear and convincing evidence, then it would have decided to "err on the side of life" as it would have been required to.

That others might disagree with the judge's decision on "clear and convincing evidence" or want "beyond all doubt" or only a written document is understandable. Still, if the trial judge erred (one way or another) the appeals process is there to fix that and it was used and used and used.

Posted by: A Comment [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 06:59 PM

That others might disagree with the judge's decision on "clear and convincing evidence" or want "beyond all doubt" or only a written document is understandable. Still, if the trial judge erred (one way or another) the appeals process is there to fix that and it was used and used and used.

I think you're completely wrong about this, and it highlights the degree of bad information being disseminated on both sides. No court ever reviewed Judge Greer's finding of "fact", or whether his decision that Terri wanted to die was the correct one. That is the whole point!

Posted by: LagunaDave [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 31, 2005 09:19 PM

I sided with the Schindlers and, to be honest, the only people I've condemned are those who've slandered them or used this as an opportunity to rant about the evil right-wing Christian theocrats and all that.

I understand decent people can disagree, but what I can't understand is people thinking it's okay to slam Terri's parents and siblints, or accuse most of those siding with her of being drooling religious fanatics.

That, too, offends a lot of us.

Posted by: Dean Esmay [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2005 06:38 AM

It is wrong to call this a 'right to die' case. The evidence that the late Mrs. Schiavo wanted to die is scant. There was no evidence of Mrs. Schiavo wishing to die other than from the mouths of people who wanted her dead, Mr. Schiavo and his brothers. There was evidence that Mrs. Schiavo did not wish to die. However George Greer only considered evidence that Mrs. Schiavo wished to die. In the end, Greer ordered the death of Mrs. Schiavo.

The was not a right to die case. It was a judicial murder case.

Posted by: David [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2005 07:01 AM

In this matter I can cast my eyes in any ideological direction and see something that offends me (and I still haven't recovered from finding Ralph Nader and Jesse Jackson in my bed).

Anyone who thinks Michael Schiavo does not stand to gain financially from Terri's death is naive. And today we hear (via Instapundit) that the Schindler's seek to use their supporters for financial gain.

Judge Greer and the Florida judiciary hardly seem a font of wisdom but, and I'm talking here as the rankest amateur, does not the appeal process even in civil court allow only a review of law, not fact? (At least until such time as the Congress of the US legislates a means for that review and the federal judiciary swats it away like an annoying mosquito with a resounding "f-k you" to its two co-equal branches of government. See what I mean? So many opportunities for offense.)

William F. Buckley once said in a piece about the abortion wars that it serves everyone to remember that when the pro-choice side loses the argument, they have lost a choice, but when the pro-life side loses the argument, they have lost a life. It doesn't require much tweaking to apply such an observation to this situation as well.

Rest in peace, Terri, and condolences to everyone who loves you. And, my friends, the Schaivo case is nothing compared to what awaits us given the technological and scientific advancements on the horizen . I hope when we enter this brave new world we will be far better equiped to deal with its moral, ethical and legal ramifcations. The Schiavo case has found us wanting on so very many levels.

Posted by: Kyda Sylvester [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2005 12:17 PM

It amazes me that everything in this country seems to have a political consequence. Shiavos death should have nothing to do with the Left or the Right. And for the politicians and the media to make those connections is simply disgusting. She was a young woman, a wife, a daughter. Her death was a personal tragedy for all those close to her. I only hope that lessons are learned from Terri Shiavos death. Write your living wills and make your wishes VERY specific. Appoint your Power of Attorney for Healthcare. Do it now or, who knows, you may be the next Terri we read about on the blogs.

Posted by: DonnaSue [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 4, 2005 09:22 PM