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January 12, 2005
Suddenly

Posted by Bill

... an American draping themself in the flag is offensive?

I recall attending an AC/DC concert during the first Gulf War, and lead guitarist Angus Young did one of his characteristic strip teases during one of his characteristic 20 minute guitar solos. At the end of the strip tease, when the final reveal was his boxer shorts, this sweaty, skeezy Australian ripped off his schoolboy pants and revealed a pair of American flag boxers. Instead of finding this offensive, an arena of 20,000 people lost their minds in an appreciative patriotic fervor. Young's choice of underwear was a sign of support and respect.

C'mon, Michelle, lighten up. I'm sorry, but ragging on Kid Rock's American flag shirt is so uptight, it's like an uptight person attempting a parody of someone who is uptight, which doesn't quite come out right because they are so damn uptight. And then everyone nervously laughs. Except the aforementioned uptight person, who has moved on to finding something else to get outraged about during a particularly racy episode of "Touched by an Angel."

UPDATE: Because really, why should angels be "touching" anyone, anyway? And where are these people being "touched?"

Goldstein details more OUTRAGE.

UPDATE: Some folks interpret only vaguely earnest conflicts way too seriously. To be fair, I guess mildly amused criticism doesn't read very clearly on a blog. Of course there are more important things to talk about - like the weather. But that's really the whole point, isn't it?

And I love my commenter below:

Malkin is right. You are wrong. Goldstein doesn't count because he's a sarcastic semi-conservative wanker; we expect wise-guy stuff from him. You we take seriously.

Was it the moonbat posts?

Posted by Bill at January 12, 2005 07:21 PM | TrackBack (16)

Comments

Missing the point? He wasn't even invited. But he's been thanked, nonetheless, by the Bush team for his Iraq concerts and other efforts in the re-election. Hey, he could have asked for an invite...he might have gotten one. Who's his manager? PR agent? They screwed up.

Posted by: John© [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 07:53 PM

"He wasn't even invited." Bullplop! We all know what's going on here.

You know, at some point in the past four years, I think I went through the looking glass. The Democratic national convention featured tons of talk about how military service is essential for a candidate, and lots of talk about "Old Glory". The Republican convention had, as speakers, no less than two Hollywood actors and one guy who has dressed in drag. And now the Republicans are upset because a musical performer is wearing a costume celebrating the American flag. Up is down! Black is white!

Posted by: dorkafork [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 08:44 PM

Yes, an American draping desecrating the flag is offensive. An Aussie wearing flag-like underwear is also offensive, but what can you do, he's a foreigner, and he gets a bye because those undies were 'flag-like'. Rock took a genuine flag and tore a hole in it to make his garment. That crosses the line. Notice that when our Olympic athletes are sometimes draped in a flag they are quite careful not to use it as a sweat rag or Kleenex.

Go look up "sacrosanct" and get back to us. Go read the Flag Act and then think about it. This is not a matter of being uptight. It is a matter of right and wrong, and Kid Rock and Angus Young were both wrong, regardless of how the crowd reacted.

Those who have fought for that flag and paid in blood will have no patience with your viewpoint. Others who understand the deeper meaning will also be offended. There are some lines that just should not be crossed.

Malkin is right. You are wrong. Goldstein doesn't count because he's a sarcastic semi-conservative wanker; we expect wise-guy stuff from him. You we take seriously.

Posted by: Drewydd [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 08:55 PM

"Malkin is right. You are wrong. Goldstein doesn't count because he's a sarcastic semi-conservative wanker"

Oh come now. We all know that's just code for "JEW."

Posted by: Jeff G [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 09:05 PM

Rock took a genuine flag and tore a hole in it to make his garment.

OH MY GOD! "Tore!" He tore it! That evil, maniacal heathen!

As opposed to, "had a seamstress stitch a seam?"

Drewdd, like Goldstein, I am also "a sarcastic semi-conservative wanker," which fortunately marks me as someone that's not uptight enough to crack almonds with my buttcheeks. And for the record, I tend not to take people like you too seriously, especially considering the hilariously pompous tone of your comment.

Your comments about all people bleeding for the flag getting worked up because an American chooses to celebrate being an American with a red-white-and-blue poncho is silly. It's largely about intent. Are American flag ties ok? How about t-shirts? Country singers that have those ugly cowboy shirts? What if the poncho was just a print of a flag?

Or is it just the clothes that look vaguely Mexican, or apparel where the flag rubs up against someones's nipples that have your ass chaffed?

Since you've directed me to look up "sacrosanct," I'd ask you to look up "laughably condescending, self-righteous ass" and get back to me.

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 09:10 PM

Those who have fought for that flag and paid in blood will have no patience with your viewpoint.

Speak for yourself. You obviously haven't been corresponding with or reading the blogs of many Iraq veterans or regular vets, for that matter.

As I said in the post that Michelle linked to, many younger people who aren't in the military don't know anything about flag etiquette. Kid Rock was one of them. After his Super Bowl appearance, Iraq GIs informed him that this was improper flag etiquette and he stopped doing such things.

Were he still violating flag etiquette *after* been schooled, I could see what the uproar is about. But he and other younger people aren't to blame for the ignorance on this matter.

I wonder who is. /sarcasm

Posted by: Juliette [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 12, 2005 10:02 PM

Drew:
STFU.

"Speak for yourself. You obviously haven't been corresponding with or reading the blogs of many Iraq veterans or regular vets, for that matter."
Exactly.

And what is this, now it's about the stupid poncho? I thought this was all about his potty mouth. Go figure.

"...celebrating the American flag"
That's exactly how I took it, too. But what do I know, I'm just a dumb flag-waving wingnut Repuke veteran.

Obviously, if there's one thing lacking in the Wildmon wing, it's manners--demanding a dis-invite is VERY poor form. Not to mention moonbat territory, in its inherent divisiveness.

Posted by: Beth the VRW Conspirator [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 12:24 AM

What utter bullshit. I don't even like Kid Rock's so-called music. But he clearly is a patriot draping himself in the flag to make a patriotic statement. But then, as a pro-Bush American I would allow flag burning, since I believe in free political expression even if I hate a particular instance of it.

If anyone "fought for a flag," as opposed to what this nation stands for that it symbolizes, they are morons. And I don't think many dead or disabled vets are morons, tho a minority are, just by virtue of being part of the general population in which some idiots are found.

For the GOP to make KR's wearing a flag poncho an issue, given his obvious patriotism, makes me wonder about some of my bed-fellows. Fucking relax, folks. We won, and KR is not the enemy. Don't eat your own.

Posted by: Mona [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 01:14 AM

You know, self-righteous pseudo-indignance is one of the reasons I can't stand Democrats, and now I have to listen to this shit from Republicans too?

These people need to lighten the hell up if the Republicans are going to build on the gains they made with young voters this year. We can't always count on Democrats nominating arrogant, patrician aristocrats who barely connect with their own families. Every once in a while they wise up, and pick somebody who looks as though he's actually had a blowjob in his life.

Posted by: Doug F [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 03:16 AM

Every once in a while they wise up, and pick somebody who looks as though he's actually had a blowjob in his life.

A what? What's that?

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 07:40 AM

We take you seriously.
If anyone ever said that about me, about something like this, I'd be breaking out the heavy ordinance and tracking them down. They are obviously in desperate need of a double ought Clue.

Posted by: TC-LeatherPenguin [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 08:10 AM

now it's about the flag? I do think this is a stupid item but I'm here for laughs today, so howdy folks, and thanks!

I was a kid in the late sixties, early seventies, and symbolism was as strong in expression as opinions were divided. and we wore lots of old glory and red-white-and-blue along with our hot pink and poisen green flowers. I'd say the times are similar, but I guess you could get upset about it if you want re: patriotism and respect for the symbol. I'm not convinced there's some sinister, anti-American group-think on this one, so I'll pass. and Juliette's point is good: I have no idea about flag etiquette, other than what I hear in the news about burning controversies and such (and I'm an Air Force brat).

but the guy was right about Jeff, he just misses the point that it's what drives Jeff's hits. that he's a Jew, I mean. Bill's the real king of sarcastic semi-conservatism.

Posted by: tee bee [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 11:24 AM

Bill - if you think Angus was creepy droppin' trou with flag shorts, imagine being in the audience in Tacoma, on the day that war started. AC/DC concert. First, drunk morons yellin' kill the ragheads, then Angus does that. It was like bein' in a Fellini movie....

Posted by: OneDrummer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 12:23 PM

You know, self-righteous pseudo-indignance is one of the reasons I can't stand Democrats, and now I have to listen to this shit from Republicans too?

LOVE IT.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 13, 2005 03:33 PM

Oh, Good God. I've got a shirt that has flags AND EAGLES. I wear it with my boots, jeans, and Stetson (well, actually it's a Resistol, for some reason Stetsons don't fit me well, but you know what I mean.) Nobody seems to care.

As far as "tearing a hole in a flag" etc., isn't there something about not making idols and graven images that applies here?

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 14, 2005 05:50 AM

"which fortunately marks me as someone that's not uptight enough to crack almonds with my buttcheeks"

I'm betting you couldn't manage that with any degree of uptightness. I've seen enough bloogers to know what sitting on the butt for hours a day does to the crack quotient. But Flabby Ass Blogger Syndrom (FABS) is another subject I'll have to get into later...

Posted by: BigBopper [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 15, 2005 02:00 PM