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November 16, 2004
More Gay Jokes

Posted by Bill

McGreevey.jpeg
Sean Delonas, NY Post

Fair is fair - as a companion to leftie Carville's iffy gay joke about McGreevey, check out this cartoon that was published in the right-wing NY Post. Besides the fact that the depiction of McGreevey floating on air with pixie dust is sort of a crass and clumsy device (last I checked, McGreevey wasn't even particularly effeminate), the use of Bush's name as a naughty double-entendre that represents the female anatomy is a trick that's been overused to the point of painful annoyance. At the very least the cartoon is lame. And probably offensive to somebody. The only thing that almost redeems the effort is the fact that it points out the one factor that really unifies and animates today's Democratic Party (no, not gayness, hatred of George Bush).

I dislike political correctness run amok, but it's kind of interesting to note which stereotypes can't slip by the monitors of outrage and which are deemed "fair game."

(Via the Raving Atheist)

Posted by Bill at November 16, 2004 09:08 AM | TrackBack (0)

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And probably offensive to somebody.

And probably offensive to almost everybody! This is just the kind of thing that makes the cliche about "sexist, homophobic" Republicans stick. This guy is in the same class with Ted Rall.

Posted by: asher [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 10:11 AM

Well, it's a fine line. It's notable that a TV show like Will and Grace makes similar jokes about gays, so I think that it's certainly way too harsh to put this guy in the same class as Ted Rall.

Mocking 9-11 widows? Mocking Pat Tillman? Rall is in a class all by himself.

I'd say that it's more comparable to a highly-diluted version of that racist cartoon about Condi, but the fact is, certain stereotypes are ok and certain stereotypes aren't. It's perfectly acceptable to mock "white trash," sort of situationally acceptable to mock gays and completely unacceptable to mock blacks. IT's not that I agree that all things should be labeled offensive, it's just bizarrely situational.

Personally, I think that non-mean-spirited humor should err on the side of being funny, but standards of taste and political correctness are notoriously inconsistent.

This cartoon really fails all the relevant tests, IMO.

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 10:19 AM

Yes, the cartoon is beyond just simply being bad taste and should be criticized as such. But starting with rabid hatred and then replacing objectivity with demagoguery, the Democratic Party has itself become nothing less than a parody. Thus, any political cartoonist today is going to find it necessary to be an extremist - in some way - when trying to sketch anything that is a parody of the Democrats. And the Democrats seem to be devoting most all their time to outing the homophobes and railing against the evangelicals – which couldn’t be a better way to loose even more precincts in the next election.

Posted by: wray [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 10:58 AM

Rall is in a class all by himself.

Well, I'll grant you that. And yeah, the Condi cartoon is probably closer to the mark.

As for the Dems losing the next election ... that's assuming they'll even be around for that long.

Posted by: asher [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 11:20 AM

Well, as one who walked the walk for quite few years before deciding to get out, I can say it takes a lot more than stupid stuff like that to offend my heart. There are much bigger things to worry about now than that. Frankly, it takes a lot more to get my attention, so people are just going to have to try harder.

Posted by: Greg Wallace [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 12:08 PM

Well, as one who walked the walk for quite few years before deciding to get out

What exactly does that mean?

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 12:15 PM

I was in the gay lifestyle in San Diego for eight years and had a homosexual identity for over 17 years. I left the lifestyle in 1985.

Posted by: Greg Wallace [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 08:34 PM

Interesting. I find that totally odd in a male. I firmly believe that a certain percentage (30%?) of homosexuality is predetermined by a combo of genetic predisposition combined with early environment and another percentage is determined by "choice" or primary environmental influence, but being gay for 17 years and then consciously switching seems odd. Again, no judgment here, just interesting.

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2004 09:53 PM

I think the term "gay lifestyle" pretty much sums it up. I don't live in the "gay lifestyle", but I am gay. Personally, I don't see how anyone could just turn off that aspect of their sexuality, whether hetero or homo.

Bill, your are correct that McGreevy is not effeminate, especially compared to Frist... anyone else notice that?

Posted by: techson [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 08:22 AM

nah. But keep an eye on Delay.

(This being the internet and all, just need to be clear that I was kidding - Ed)

Posted by: Bill from INDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 08:39 AM

Hmmm... Delay. Me curious now ;-)

Posted by: techson [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 08:59 AM