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Time Poll: Delegitimizing the Vote
Posted by Bill The result of things like this ... 2. If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a "pre-emptive strike" (particularly well-suited to states in which there techniques have been tried in the past). • Issue a press release i. Reviewing Republican tactic used in the past in your area or state ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting • Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points • Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics • Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls ... and this ... Unlike the former vice president, who lost a recount fight and the 2000 election, Kerry will be quick to declare victory on election night and begin defending it. He also will be prepared to name a national security team before knowing whether he's secured the presidency. ... and this ... A group of opposition Democrats in the House of Representatives has asked United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan to send U.N. observers to November's presidential election. "We are deeply concerned that the rights of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections are again in jeopardy," the members of Congress wrote Jul. 1. ... is this: ALMOST HALF (48%) OF REGISTERED VOTERS THINK AN ILLEGITIMATE WINNER WILL WIN PRESIDENCY, ACCORDING TO TIME POLL As Stephen Green wrote - these tactics will steer us towards "Banana Republic" status. And this heated wrangling will take place at the exact point in time when Iraqis are looking to the United States as an example for their own nascent electoral process. UPDATE: Think both sides are equally culpable? Read this. And then try to compile your own list ... Posted by Bill at October 24, 2004 10:23 AM | TrackBack (32) CommentsIf the intention is to create an American-secular version of the Catholic Church's Great Schism, is there any word yet where Kerry will be setting up the Avignon White House? One of Teresa's homes perhaps? Posted by: Tony Iovino at October 24, 2004 10:35 AM I set up two news alerts via Google just to follow the stories of voter fraud and have recieved 26 alerts in October alone, each with three or more news accounts from across the country. The win at any cost attitude of the Democratic Party is abhorent because one of those costs may well be the democratic process and lead to the fall of the Republic from within. Nikita may have been more prescient than anyboby thought. Posted by: Hitman at October 24, 2004 10:57 AM There won't be the need. Kerry will win so big we won't need the courts to crown the President this time around Posted by: duffyb at October 24, 2004 11:08 AM Is that a veiled reference to the 30,000 of fake voter registrations that were returned in Ohio? Or the union intimidation tactics at Florida polling stations? Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 24, 2004 11:12 AM The Dems just won't take no for an answer. I'm prepared for a fight every bit as bad as 2000, if not worse. Posted by: Retread at October 24, 2004 11:14 AM Worth noting is that involves exactly the strategies you outline. 2000 appears to not be a fluke, but a pattern. The feeling among Dems is that we didn't expect and weren't geared up for Team Bush's aggressive lawyering up in 2000, and we're not going to be outgunned that way again. -Fe Wm. Posted by: irond_will at October 24, 2004 11:32 AM That's why I didn't post anything about the "lawyering up" by both sides. Pre-emptively declaring racial intimidation where there is none in an official DNC manual ... now that I have a problem with. Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 24, 2004 11:39 AM To be literal, the DNC memo does not instruct workers to claim voter intimidation where none exists. The "pre-emptive strike" involves pointing out previous instances of voter intimidation in the state, and warns citizens to prepare for the possibility. The mangled syntax in my previous post was due to the URL being stripped (I typoed, I'm sure). It should read: "Worth noting is that Karl Rove's modus operandi involves exactly the strategies you outline. 2000 appears to not be a fluke, but a pattern." -Fe Wm. Posted by: irond_will at October 24, 2004 12:54 PM To be literal, the DNC memo does not instruct workers to claim voter intimidation where none exists. Do you really want to parse creating the perception of voter intimidation vs. actually claiming voter intimidation? Both are bad. They might happen, but belong nowhere near an official party manual. Wouldn't you say? Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 24, 2004 12:59 PM And you know what's kind of funny? If you posted nasty proof of a page from Rove's book on a blog that you run, I wouldn't rise to defend it in your comments section. Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 24, 2004 01:01 PM I don't understand this intimidation at the polls. There is always a poll watcher or two at each polling place who would be able to call the police if there was the kind of unpleasantness I've read about. Why weren't the police called to restore order. A man grabbed a woman's head to point out that she was a Bush supporter? He should have escorted to jail and forfeited his right to vote. This is crazy. Be sure to take a camera, preferably a digital camera to the polls to record any of this aberrant behavior. Posted by: erp at October 24, 2004 01:53 PM What I want to know is, how do they know which candidate they are supporting? Isn't voting supposed to be a private thing? Posted by: Bill from INDC at October 24, 2004 02:33 PM I'm curious as to the legality of observers monitoring polling places with video cameras to document any intimidation that occurs. I'd imagine that polling entities across the United States would have varying regulations regarding this (or no regulations at all). Volunteers could then take shifts for manning a camera (with a couple extras available to grab the tape and run if the looney tunes get out of hand). Posted by: Dwagar at October 24, 2004 03:15 PM These portents are very disturbing. Until recently I was most concerned about a terrorist strike here or abroad which might influence the outcome of the election. I now feel that perhaps the greatest threat to the American electoral process may indeed come from the Left in this country. They are not concerned with America and it's place and course in the world. They are interested only in the acquisition of power. This desire is embodied perfectly in their candidates for President and Vice-president. These men have no real plans for our future or for that matter any real grasp of the empirical realities that the Anglo-American West faces today. These men are driven by blind ambition. They, and their minions, are interested only in wresting power from the current administration, and will attempt do so at any cost. The damage to American Democracy and to our standing in the world is potentially greater than that of a Radiological bomb being detonated in lower Manhattan. Are there no statesmen and patriots left in the Democratic Party that will naysay this course of action? When JFK (the first) "stole" in election in 1960 with votes delivered by Daley in Illinois and Johnson in Texas, Nixon refused to ask for a recount not wanting to divide the nation. He simply conceded out of concern for the greater good of the American people. Where now is a man of his stature in the Democratic party? Posted by: Jeff M at October 24, 2004 04:24 PM Bill, you must not have been paying attention. There are massive reports that Republicans are not only registering themselves to vote but are actually publically acknowledging their decision to vote for our Zionistically selected president by buying Bush/Cheney '04 signs and they have their thuggish cohorts like Krauthammer and Krystol out there actually writing stories on why a chimp would make a better racist killer of Muslims everywhere or why gays should be imprisoned or cast away. Clearly if people would support such an evil creature, they are not only unpatriotic and un-American but such awful human beings that their very attempts to support such a man is a danger to democracy itself. I haven't read Sullivan or Kos in about two weeks. How close did I get to mimicing them? =p Posted by: Elric at October 24, 2004 05:02 PM The big problem isn't what happens at the voting booth, although there will certainly be irregularities. Voter registration fraud gets worse by half each election, thanks to 'The National Voter Registration Act of 1993' or 'The Motor-Voter'. It allows one to vote in multiple precincts unchallenged as is going on in Ohio, and vote in other states without valid indentification as has been done in NY and Florida. Illegal aliens can now vote as long as they can obtain a drivers license, which they can now do in 34 states. They are not required to prove citizenship at the polling place. Cheating has become way too easy thanks to the Democrats and the Motor-Voter act. The main stream media will not address it so it may be here to stay. The Republicans weakly challenge them because they don't want to be accused of disenfranchising the minorities or the poor. Posted by: Sandi at October 24, 2004 07:44 PM We all should be so mad at the Democrats that we punish them at the ballot box... Posted by: Another Thought at October 24, 2004 10:41 PM Tim Russert had the heads of both the DNC and the GOP on this morning. Ballot box stuffing has been going on for a very long time. LBJ was notorious for this activity. Maybe what needs to happen is the party complicit in this along with the candidate involved needs to be held accountable. Even if it means an entire recount and even an action that throws the candidate out of office for being installed through illegal voting. Posted by: mshyde at October 25, 2004 02:18 AM 1297 http://www.777-blackjack.com Posted by: blackjack at October 29, 2004 03:47 PM |