C'mon Bill, don't keep us in suspense. Out with it.

And what's the url???

Hmmmm... if you are hinting what I think you are hinting, I just hope they didn't misquote you. ;-)

Nope. Guess again.

Kerry's conceding? So soon?

Ok, should we maybe believe the apparent "abduction" is not true?

This COMING Monday.

OK, I'll take a guess. Would it have something to do with something the W-Times found out about Kerry's Vietnam record? Do they have a "smoking gun", to use the proverbial phrase?

We have ways of making you talk.

Will it be the Tora Bora thang, with Kerry originally supporting the decision to use local forces and American special forces, but now using it as a criticism?

Powerline has picked up the report. They're being even coyer about it than Bill is being, but then they probably don't have the inside information Bill does. However, they did say it was a "foreign policy issue" that was going to be reported on, which makes me revise my original guess that it was going to be Vietnam-related. The problem here though is that if it's related to Iraq, I don't know what the W-Times could say that hasn't already been said.

Kerry's been caught in a million contradiction and flip-flops and lies. What's so special about this one?

I wonder if this has to do with Kerry sending people abroad to negotiate with at least the Syrians and possibly the Iranians...

Reading between the lines it seems this story has to do with something Kerry has been saying about the Bush campaign relating to foreign policy that turns out not to be true. It could be a Vietnam-era issue (Bush records that show he was where everyone knows he was or Kerry records showing he wasn't discharged properly, or actually authored the after-action reports), but it seems from what everyone is saying that it has to do with something Kerry has been saying about Bush.

So what are Kerry's primary attacks/lies on Bush's foreign policy? That we go-it-alone (don't see how anything new could be unearthed there), that we moved resources from Afghanistan to Iraq and took our eye off the Usama ball (maybe there's something addressing this, but I hardly see how a devastating piece of new news can come out of it considering we already know Kerry supported the Tora Bora strategy at the time), and that we got diverted by Iraq (again, old news that Kerry has contradicted himself about 50 times on this issue).

I give up.

Likely it won't matter, because no matter what it is, only the Times will have the guts to report it. The rest of the MSM will whistle in the dark and walk on by!

But I can't wait.

Just yesterday I began to hope that Bill Gertz or Rowan Scarborough would uncover new evidence linking Saddam to Bin Laden and company and/or Oklahoma City and/or the first WTC bombing. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Didn't Mickey Kaus "break" this story last week about Kerry supporting the military strategy at Tora Bora?

The Washington Times is a great paper and all, but let's not get our hopes up about the rest of the media picking up on this, even if it is a blockbuster.

Hmmm, Could it possibly be about selling out Israel to satisfy his Euro buddies and make new friends in the Arab world?

Comeoncomeoncomeon Bill pleasepleaseplease!!!! Spill it!!!!

But what is the good in giving the DNC 2 whole days to get ready for this story?

ive been wondering when Gen. Shinseki is going to come out and counter Kerry's constant lying about how he was fired because of his estimates about required troop strength. is this it?

If it really, really, REALLY, helps him blow the election, I am content to wait. ( can't resist - anything to do with campaign contributions and suspect foreign connections?)

It's not huge, but it's interesting.

Is it big enough (or interesting enough) to make the MSM? or are we the only ones who will know about it?

If it is not hugh that I can't see how it will amount to much. Voting agaisnt the 87 billion is HUGH and it has only permiated so far.

uh.. HUGE (Do I know a HUGH?)

My guess is that it may have something to do with the Tora Bora thing, only because that is one of the lynchpins of Kerry's criticism.

Maybe something with the coalition in Iraq of Oil for Food-maybe France is even dirtier, but I don't think theliberals or the MSM care much at all about Oil for Food, they seem to think only Halliburton is evil.

Yeah, I'm already underwhelmed by the news, and it hasn't even come out yet.

Blogs for Bush has a Kerry Tora Bora quote where he approved of Bush's actions...hmm, could be it. Not huge, but interesting.

Maybe it's the fact that Iraq is going to be having their elections on time. :)
Make him acknowledge that.

Unfortunately one source states the Washington Times and another the Washington Post. If it is the Times the MSM will have the ability to deaden its impact by simply ignoring it. If it is the Post then a wider audience will give it legs.

It must be the Tora Bora comment. Kerry was supportive of our actions back in 11/01, but now he criticizes it. Mickey Kaus had shown Kerry's hypocricy a few days ago.

Could be Tora Bora, but why is every one so secretive about it then? It's already out.

Not to change the subject TOO too much, but you know what I find interesting? That liberals look at papers like the Washington Times, the New York Post, the Boston Herald, etc, and see Conservative spin-machine rags, while conservatives look at those same publications and see balanced reporting. Meanwhile, Conservatives look at the WashPost, the NYT, and the Globe, and see Liberal rags that just hate conservatives, or even "American values", while liberals look at the same publications and see a fair view of the world. Why can't you people admit that EVERY major news publication has biases one way or the other? You only need to look as far as the list of newspaper endorsements that have been coming out recently for the two Presidential candidates to see these biases in black and white. How about reading the OTHER side once in a while, and THEN deciding who belongs in the "Mainstream" media? Most of us, on BOTH sides, have no idea where the mainstream is anymore.

I find it equally amazing that any one person can claim to 'speak' for all conservative and liberals!

There is no "all you liberals" or "all you conservatives". Those phrases have only very slightly more meaning than "all you humans".

I think it might be about Bush apologizing to the Chinese, back in the day.

It's not huge, but it's interesting.
Posted by Bill from INDC

Yeah, that's what she said. ; ) (Sorry, sorry!)

Don't spill it, Bill. If I have to wait two weeks to see the election results, I can jolly well wait a few days to see what new fun elements of the MSM have cooked up.
Regardless, though, betcha it runs for about a day and then the rest of the media buries it.

Or maybe Chalabi, ur, I mean the Iranians are finally going to release all those "Oil For Food" lists they've been holding.

'member Chalabi guys?

Sat behind The First Lady?

But I will say that the MSM means more of a one-way communication without testing, probing and peer review.

MSM is not going to go away, but it sure will change - already is.

There is a lot of crap in the blogsphere but there is also a lot of vital information as well.

The "natural habitat" for memes seems to be the internet. Memes are created, evolve - subject to natrual selection, and live or die with amazing speed on the internet.

Because of the evolution and "networked intelligence" the good memes will prosper and the bad ones will die.

Should we get *all* of our information from the internet? No. But I am now comforted that the likes of Dan Rather are doubly watching their P's & Q's (and PDF's!) because IF they don't have it right, they are dead-meat in short order.

Once again American leads the way in creating from thin air a new tool sure to *stengthen* democracy and the rule of the people!

Right of Center is right.

Too bad the majority still watch television.

Makes them not ask questions.

Like you guys!

If it's not huge, is it bigger than a bread box?

Maybe it's about how we stupidly believed the world would join us after a quick victory in Iraq

SO we

didn't plan for afterwards

we cheaped out on the forces and send citizen soldiers because we thought the rest of the world would see the light and it would be one big hug again

and we couldn't close the borders, because we were Beta testing Rummy's new ideas, which depended on help or a perfectly calm aftermath, so we went in light and fast.

No one is pissed about good intentions.

It's the incompetence. Plain and simple.

I love how desperately some people are trying to change the subject on this thread.

I am a little surprised at the idea that the coming story isn't "huge" but Kerry will be required to respond. Kerry's never bothered to respond to anything the SwiftVets have put out, or to the questions for details of his "plans" or to details of the accusations he makes about "secret plans".

Heck, Kerry's primary campaign strategy has been to not respond to anything -- why should he change now?

Like you just responded to my post?

You can't. They fucked it up, friend.

You bought into a TV President.

Hague,

Wars are always a mess. The most dangerous generals are the armchair varriety.

We did not got to Iraq because we *knew* there were WMD's we went because we *didn't know*. We had evidence but didn't know.

You don't get a second chance with a Nuke at 52nd and 7th.

Yes, yes, I know why you went in. I know the reasoning. I understand it, don't totally agree with it.

What I'm looking for is someone - SOMEONE - to admit mistakes were made - HUGE MISTAKES - and that corrections will be made.

You never discuss details. Details are where you fail.

And you did. In Iraq.

Right of center -- don't feed the troll. He's trying to hijack the thread; don't let him.

I think the jury is out on whether Iraq is failed. But I will draw one distinction with you.

Whether or not Kerry or Bush is President (or Carter, Clinton or Reagan) I would say *WE* succeeded or *WE* failed in *OUR* policy and aims.

Huh, guess you don't "stay on offense" do you.

I mean, some of you must be heading over to Newsmax right now to get some hot "quote" or story to tell me I'm wrong.

No debatin' here, huh?

*we*, huh.

So, it's all of us or none of us.

I understand your thinking now.

You seemed so Socratic.

And what thread am I hijaking?

A bunch of Republican hippies chatting about a possible article coming out on Monday?

You're just fans of the politics. You have no idea want is really happening over there.

Yes Hague, mistakes were made, and other mistakes weren't. Now goodbye.

To Hague: Why are you such a pratt?

Hague,

since you like going off topic, here's a question:
When will the good Senator apologies for the war crimes he comitted in Vietnam, or alternatively (and more to the point), when will he apologies for testifying to war crimes that did not occur?

Apologies and politics don't really mix very well. That goes for both sides and you know it - so stop pretending to be naive.

apologies=apologise

Sounds like a horoscope. Something might happen. I won't tell you. Then when it happens, I'll say, "Yes, that was it." Very Limbaugh-esque.

"Republican Hippie" ?

I went looking and all I could find was this:

http://tinyurl.com/727zg

Boy,

Rather like pornography :

"you knows it when you sees it"

And also like porn, just because you don't buy it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Hague... the reason we "don't discuss details" isn't that we try to avoid them because they're inconvenient. It's a difference in focus--we know that the "big picture" is more important in the long run. Focusing on nothing but details leads to analytical paralysis. The relevant phrase is "can't see the forest for the trees."

To take loss of innocent life for example:

Whether a bomb lands on an innocent wedding party is a detail. Whether we deliberately set out to level cities with utter indifference to the loss of innocent life, now that's the wide focus. No matter how hard we try, some innocents are going to die. Despite the fact that no army in the world has tried harder to avoid it than ours, our soldiers are being SPIT on and called "baby killers" again.

I think the president is a reasonable person and he understands that errors have been made; errors by the CIA (WMD: it's a slam dunk!), by the Pentagon, by his strategy advisors, and by himself. But he's faced with two problems: first, the situation hasn't changed, we are safer but only in the short term. There's still too much work to be done. Second, his foes are NOT reasonable people-- in the charged atmosphere I cite above, to admit ANY error is to give your enemies an opening to crucify you.

And that means they're doing our country a double, no, a triple dis-service.

1) The president is doing (IMHO) what needs to be done. Maybe not perfectly, but who the hell here is perfect? Me? You? Do you think that given incomplete information and limited options, YOU could do better? Nitpicking details and demanding the perfect plan before action means nothing will ever be done.

2) Dividing the country this strongly makes us appear weak. It encourages the enemy to attack us more, to reinforce those who want to quit and dishearten those who want to continue.

3) And finally, by forcing the President to "fort up" and making it impossible to discuss, in a frank and realistic manner, the mistakes that have been made, it ensures that they aren't adequately reviewed and prevented. It encourages a siege mentality in which ALL criticism is ignored, even when valid.

Well, that's my thoughts on it anyway. But what do I know? I'm just an imperfect right-wing ideologue who wants to pacify the middle east by force now rather than nuke it to oblivion later in retaliation for the Miami nuke of '06. . . .

ubu,

a fine post, but I think Bill from INDC said 'buh bye' that means Hague's ip is no longer welcome here and he is blocked.

Once again a lib is here to condescendingly tell us how superior he is, when in fact he's only dealing with the information that the TV tells him (plus that of the DNC talking points memos). Have you studied WWII, Hague? How about Korea? Yes, we made mistakes. This time, the biggest mistake we made was waiting for the American left to finally come on line with our intented effort AFTER we jumped through all of your UN hurdles.

While we were jumping through your hoops, Saddam made sure his WMD were all stashed in Syria. Don't try to refute that - you can't. The news is leaking out about what all is in Syria.

So we spent nearly a year in our "rush to war", thinking that if we did all your ilk asked for that you'd actually be on America's side in this war. What a frickin waste of time. Never again. We all know that you are NOT on this nation's side on ANY issue, and the ONLY thing that matters to you is to regain power.

Having seen your derision of all things American, and your giddyness at all negative news (military, economic, you name it), America has decided that you are dangerous to put back into power. Thank God. Enjoy your future in the ashbin of history. And good riddance.

The bottom line: is it big enough to sway momentum and votes? If yes, then this is news worth listening to. If not, then Kerry will ignore it, the MSM will put it on page A-18, and we're getting our hopes up for nothing.

I hope it's big, and I hope it goes beyond the Washington Times.

ROC: You mean the porno that Bill "Falafel" O'Reilly buys?

I think if a commercial cannot be made of the story or Kerry's response to the story then it won't matter much.

If Kerry wrote on message boards, the pretentious poser would use a name like The Hague.

Bill,
I admit that you've piqued my interest, but what's the point of the tease? Nevermind. I'm sure we'll find out Monday.

"Republican Hippie". That's a first. As you can probably guess, I'm not a Republican, but I do have Birkenstocks. Does that count for anything?

If this story, whatever it is, is only going to be published in the Washington Times this Monday, I think we're going to be looking at a textbook case of anticlimax. It's not very likely that ABC, CBS, and NBC are going to give coverage to a story based on its prominent coverage in the WashTimes. A buildup to a big revelation like this would only be warranted if the story was going to be published in the WashPost or the NYTimes, because then the Kerry campaign might actually pay attention to it.

Haque = Hackworth?

"Not huge, but interesting."

If that is an accurate description, the story is already being overhyped.

BTW ~ I think the WP is the best of MSM newspapers today. A slightly left of center tilt on most issues, to be sure, but an honest effort to get stories right.

In contrast, NYT is a sad shell of its former self. Once the most reliable newspaper in the world, it has gone steadily downhill since the retirement of Abe Rosenthal. AR was a liberal, but insistent on high journalistic standards in news reporting.

Since he left, just after the Sulzberger family gave the paper to Arthur, Jr. as a toy (guess he couldn't find a real job), it's been in the tank.

What exactly is a "Republican Hippie?" I plead guilty to the republican part though.

I bet it has anything to do with that MTV rock the vote Democrat connection deal mentioned on National Review's Kerry Spot.

You said foreign policy. Nevermind.

I don't have any inside info, but I have been hearing some talk about Kerry, nuclear fuel rods and Iran. Could this be the story?

How about -

Osama Actually killed at tora-bora ?

"considering we already know Kerry supported the Tora Bora strategy at the time"

Nooooo silly duped rightwingnuts; Kerry was answering a question about USING FLAME-THROWERS. Too bad ya'll don't know how to READ.

YOU'RE the DUPED IDIOTS who still think Iraq had WMD!

YOU'RE the DUPED IDIOTS who still think Iraq did 911!

YOU'RE the DUPED IDIOTS who still think the world was pro-invasion of Iraq!

And YOU'RE the DUPED IDIOTS that think Kerry lies and bush doesn't!

ROTFL!!!

Bill, I think this is what the story will be about. This is from a transcript of the Larry King Live show in the time frame of Tora Bora.

KING: We are going to talk about war at the end of this week. We are learning a lot more about it. We seem to, every few years or so, get into one. We are in another one now on two fronts.

So we welcome three heroes. Senator John Kerry is with us here in Los Angeles. He is the Senate Foreign Relations committee member, highly decorated Vietnam war hero, three Purple Hearts, the Silver Star and the Bronze Star. In Washington, Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham, former Navy ace -- saw the movie "Top Gun", Tom Cruise may have played him -- highly decorated Vietnam veteran, Purple Heart, the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars and numerous other decorations. And also in Washington, General George Joulwan, United States Army retired, Vietnam veteran himself, and a former NATO supreme commander. Before we talk about their experiences, and a little bit about what war is like, Senator Kerry -- and this is for all of you, how goes it so far in Afghanistan, in your opinion?

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: I think our guys are doing a superb job. I think we've had, things break for us, the way, one would want them to, but in addition, I think the people you just heard, they are trained, they are ready. I think we have been smart, I think the administration leadership has done it well and we are on right track.

"My guess is that it may have something to do with the Tora Bora thing, only because that is one of the lynchpins of Kerry's criticism."

Kerry has lied about many things, eg, abusing Bremer's words, mis-stating Sensenbrenner on the Patriot Act, taking Ronald Reagans' name in vain when he opposed The Great Reagan totally and called his terms "8 years of moral darkness"

... BUT I always found his Tora Bora lie the most despicable.
Kerry dissembled on Tora Bora by ignoring our special ops and their contribution in rooting out the Taliban. I suspect that the men on the Senate Intelligence committee and Pres Bush know more than we do. In fact, Bush might know things that would refute Kerry BUT CANT SAY IT BECAUSE THE REFUTATION WOULD BE CLASSIFIED.

I've heard different sources claim (a) Bin Laden went over the border on Dec 6, 2001; (b) Bin Laden was killed Dec 1, 2001, but the bombing vaporized him and we didnt announce because we didnt want to make a martyr, (c) reports that he was in Tora Bora not certain, and he was actually elsewhere at the time. (Genl Tommy Franks in public statements has indicated "c").
(d), The story line Kerry is pushing came via the Atlantic Monthly.

Who is right? Insiders, like those on the Senate Intel committee, probably know.

So a plausible story line would be to get to the bottom of this. Confirming that Kerry knows one story but is telling another (he knows to be false) to attack Bush would indeed be a BIG DEAL. It could be Tora Bora, or it could be analogous stories (eg Zarqawi/terrorism and Iraq; Iran; etc.)

Bill,

Give us a little hint: Is it about something that happened this century, or before?

If before, is it pre or post 1980?

Thanks!

Maybe someone has discovered that Kerry really doesn't have a secret plan to end the war. That'll sure blow the lid off.

I think it is most likely related to Kerry's claim that we had UBL "in the crosshairs and we outsourced the job." Perhaps there is some video footage or some other conclusive evidence that will prove Kerry's claim is false. Anyone have any other ideas?

He doesn't have 'a' plan, he has 56 plans - don't you know?

It is about something that happened or did not happen in the past few years.

Bill,

Kerry claimed it happened and it didn't?

Or Kerry claimed it didn't happen and it did?

As much as I'd love to think it has to do with the capture of UBL, I think that would go against Bill's suggestion that its not huge, but rather interesting.

I guess since it's foreign policy related we can rule out DUI...

I think Patrick is on the right track.

Remember how GW looked at Kerry during the debate when Kerry was making the ToraBora accusation? I thought at the time that Bush was thinking, 'you SOB, you know what I know, and you know I can't rebut this crap.'

Kerry's repeated taunts seem to me to be trying to get Bush to give up something about OBL that for national security/strategy reasons he doesn't want to bring out. for example, if we are merely pretending that OBL is in Pakistan so we can have a military presence there. It could possibly help Bush politically to be able to say we killed OBL at ToraBora, but he is more concerned about the strategic benefits of leaving it as is.

for backup I can't give links, but Ihave read that both Powell and Cheney(? or Rumsfeld?) just recently said, oh we pretty much know where he is and we're just watching for now.

Okay, so we know it isn't about Vietnam. The rest is driving me nuts...It could be anything, since Kerry has a habit of not telling the truth.

Bill,

A lot of stuff has been written about Kerry and his fabrications. The Swift Vets have done a wonderful job of bringing up his distortions.

How can this new "event or lack of event" be so important that it merits such a warmup? If it is not a real sock in the jaw for him, he can ignore it. If it has any wiggle room his spin people will trample it (pardon the mixed metaphores there.)

Unless it is undisputable and very clear and damning, how can it be any different from other "outings?"

I agree wholeheartedly with QuiltsandSTars. That would make perfect sense--however, Bill said it wasn't huge. In my opinion, that would be HUUUUUGE--simply because Kerry and Edwards have repeatedly pressed that point. What do you think?

Perhaps you might be right. It might have to do with Tora Bora and OBL, and an article that just came out this past week.

Something that Kerry would have known being on the Senate Intel Committee. He knew that what he was saying was false, and that it couldn't be refuted by President Bush for security reasons.

How can this new "event or lack of event" be so important that it merits such a warmup?

Such a warm-up? I'm just telling you to watch the paper. If you get an erection and pass out from the loss of blood to your head, that's not my responsibility.

I had a very small part in the initial work on the story, and I think it's a very important bit of info, but I also think that cheating in a debate is important, so what do I know, right?

Just decide for yourself on Monday.

I think it's Tora Bora,too. Kerry has been claiming Bush let Osama get away when we had him trapped in Tora Bora. But remember, Kerry is on the intelligence committee. Maybe Kerry, along with the other members of the committee were told long ago that Osama wasn't in Tora Bora when we were bombing it. That he had escaped to Iran or someplace like that. Kerry knows this, but has still been harassing Bush for letting Osama escape.

Jimboster, I think you're right on target.

Can't get an erection, Bill, I'm a girl. But Ok, I will chill on this.

Hope it's worth the PMS.

Hello, I will break the story tonight. It's massive!

Another guess... Josh Marshall = Niger yellow cake. John Kerry = Francophile. John Kerry's foreign policy = France is our dear friend. Does this have to do with perhaps France being behind the "yellow cake" story, in order to sabotage our efforts with the coalition, thus protecting their own interests in Iraq? I'm sorry, I just can't stop speculating... and I'm always suspicious of the French, I admit.

Look's like I need to stay up tonight to get the scoop. Thanks Matt!

Don't worry Mikey, a little PMS never hurt any of us... :-)

If Drudge breaks it tonight, it will definitely be picked up by FNC, and I think that rest of the MSM will be forced to acknowledge it due to the traffic on Drudge...crossing my fingers!

Uh, that's not really Matt Drudge.

feelin like an idiot....

Sm- Thanks- I get the "penis stuff" a lot since I'm assumed to be a guy.

Can't wait to see whazzup with Skerry. Hope it knocks him out!

Luv...

We are all trying to get the scoop.

I went to the Drudge Site myself, but then I'm just a girl.

I wouldn't be surprised if Drudge did break the story before Monday - especially with all this talk.

I am still going with Tora Bora.

But I sort of like the whole "yellow cake/france" idea-although I haven't heard Kerry harping on that too much.

Kerry harps on Tora Bora all over the place, he mentioned at least once in all three debates, and it is part of his standard stump speech.

I am still going with Tora Bora.

But I sort of like the whole "yellow cake/france" idea-although I haven't heard Kerry harping on that too much.

Kerry harps on Tora Bora all over the place, he mentioned at least once in all three debates, and it is part of his standard stump speech.

Can you fill me in on the 'yellow cake/france' thing? What's that all about?

After looking through several blogs, I've come to the conclusion that we can eliminate several potential theories. According to dummocrats.com, the story is not related to:

--details on Kerry's meetings with the Viet Cong?
--Kerry trying to cook things up behind the scenes with Jacques Chirac?
--Kerry ties to the Saudi royal family (that would be especially exciting given how Bush's ties to the Saudis have become the issue in campaign ads here)

Other theories that have been dismissed have been pertaining to his dishonorable discharge and his career as a prosecutor.

Maybe he is, can I say this? French?

It's Kerry's discharge fromn the military....Hillary finally has leaked the documents showing that his discharge from the army didn't come 'til years after his service period was up.

It's been quiet on the Sandy Berger front, perhaps an indictment?

Re the "yellow cake"- it's convoluted, and a long explanation, just google "josh marshall yellow cake" and you'll find the details on the original story. I substitute the French for the Italian guy, that's all. And with sKerry's connection through the Senate, he would know the real deal on the intelligence. But it's a long shot, like I said, I'm biased against the French, AND I'm flipping out at the thought of a possible sKerry presidency. I DO NOT trust that man.

Yellowcake related? It's the only point I haven't seen posted yet!

How about this: Sandy Berger stuffed UBL in his socks to try to hide him until Nov 3rd, but the WT conducted a sting operation in his laundry room.

Down to a 50% chance. Is it a dead girl or a live boy?

As far as the Osama/Tora Bora possibilities there is an interesting thread going on a Roger Simon...

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2004/10/the_new_bourne.php

Okay, so now we know that it isn't Tora Bora either. I'm getting very nervous. I'm very much like pm, I don't trust sKerry either.

Sorry wrong link...

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2004/10/the_usama_perpl.php

Yellow cake theory again...Well, sKerry's been ripping into Bush on poor intelligence leading to "wrong war, wrong time, blah, blah..." My thought was wouldn't it be embarrassing for him if the French ( sKerry's best friends and capable of any betrayal) to be linked to that in some way. And it occurred to me because Josh Marshall was on and on about the yellow cake intelligence. It wouldn't be a death knell for sKerry, but interesting. I'm trying to play armchair detective here, putting all clues together. It really could be anything.

I posted under PM twice, but I'm Pam also. Pam = PM :) I should just call myself yellow cake for the evening.

Robert,

Maybe PETA got mad because of the goose hunt.

Or ELmer Fud is suing him for impersonating him.

Maybe one of Theresa's ahem, "charities" is a front for a terrorist organization and she knows it?

Ya know, Whenever there is something like this in the air I think- follow the money.

This rumor hasn't been approved by me!

Bill,

Please tell us this much--is it a story that an average person will find to be significant? Or will it only be meaningful to those of us political junkies?

LuvyaDubya, whatever the story I won't be reporting it. Screw you and screw Bush!

Following the money, some people and places come to mind. George Soros, the UN, France, Russia, Germany, there's a lot there, actually. I'm sure I'm leaving out alot. And all have a relation to foreign policy. What would be the tie in with "like Josh Marshall, but real" on "RedStates"? There was also this little piece on "House of Wheels" talking about either the DNC or sKerry acccepting campaign contributions from some suspect foreign entities, but it wasn't really give much credence. That was posted yesterday or the day before.

Senator Kerry (illegally) sent campaign officials advising him on foreign affairs to negotiate with Syria and Iran.

err...cancel out "those of"

Kerry said he met with the UN Security Council before the war, but there is no record of it... maybe?

Why doesn't the owner of this site just tell us. Geez there's ike 12 people who actually visit this site. It won't matter until it hits Drudge anyways. hahah

Jim,

Pardon my French (or, is that, Kerry-ese?), but you are, how we say...stupid.

Steve C.

Steve, you're stinky

Jim,

Au contraire! I am not French, therefore I stinketh not!

Steve C.

Ok guys, I've decided to let you know the big story tomorrow. Steve had a baby with John Kerry!

(Nice try -Ed)

I hate suspense! I'm so frustrated...I might lose my mind and start spouting off nonsense just like Lawrence O'Donnell last night :)

You guys crack me up - you're like info junkies. :-)

Kerry is actually a Yankee fan.

Aw, c'mon, Bill, at least just tell us whether it's wonky and will not interest people who aren't political junkies.

Let's see. Bill at INDC had a small part in it. It's foreign policy related. It is fairly recent. It concerns something that did happen that Kerry said did not happen, or something that didn't happen that Kerry said did.

Bill, what have you been up to lately? Geez, I think I'm going to go nutz waiting for this to come out.

Why are they going with it on a Monday and not on a Sunday? Wouldn't Sunday get a bigger bang for the buck?

I do kind of lean towards the ToraBora idea, perhaps something along the lines that we have verified that UBL wasn't there and the Senate Intelligence Committee was fully briefed, so Kerry knows. That would show Kerry is flat-out lying on the campaign trail. Not big, but interesting. And I think they'd have to respond to it.

Are we getting warm yet?

You guys have nothing on me! Go to hell Bill !

I'm getting frustrated here. It isn't Tora Bora, it isn't Iraq, it isn't Vietnam. What the devil is it? The Ivory Coast? Darfur? Gaza? The Green Monster at Fenway Park?

YEEEAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!

the story is Bill has no story. He made it all up because he was bored!

Me too! I think I'm getting high Blood pressure from the wait. Along with Mikey's PMS and I'm really over the top.

CNN did a special today on how that bump on Bush's back in the debates was a radio. Implications that Bush cheated during the debates are ruminating all over the place. Anytime the dems get ready to do something or get caught for doing something, they accuse republicans of the same thing. For example, voter fraud. I think JFK played dirty pool in the debates and he's caught. Is that getting warm, Bill?

Luv..
Be careful, Bill will say something about your privates if you act too frustrated. Just a friendly warning here.

He hasn't mine yet Mikey. But, I think by now he knows I'm female???

Kathy,

That sounds reasonable to me.

Kerry probably had a micorphone hidden in his hair or someplace else where he gets his information, if you catch my drift.

Man, it's so cold in here all of a sudden, my nipples could cut glass.

The problem the dems have is that the radio story about Bush is old news.

Kathy---if that's true, then how is it related to foreign policy? So far, the clues we have are 1) its related to foreign policy, and 2) its not huge, but interesting.

Kerry is running for President of France?

Damn!

I wanted to be the first to break the story that Senator Kerry was planning a sex change operation in Sweden if he won the election.

This way he could be the first female president of the USA.

Damn! Scooped by Bill of INDC and The Washington Times again!

Oh GAwd! He would be the ugliest woman! EEEWWW!

*whine* Damn you, Bill. This had BETTER be a good story, or everyone who posts on this blog who lives in the metropolitian Washington area is going to purchase a baseball bat from their nearest neighborhood sporting-goods store and come looking for you.

:D

one big goose story.

And:

3) "It is about something that happened or did not happen in the past few years."

ha!

I make no guarantees. Your mileage may vary. I find it very significant, but many significant things Kerry's done have been overlooked. Then again, some haven't ...

Is it animal, vegetable or mineral?

Bigger than a breadbox? A prime number?

My guess is we now have proof Osama is dead. Bush didn't want to publicize it till now
1) because for whatever intel reason it's better to let the jihadis think we don't know he's dead
2) for a nice October surprise.

Remember, you heard it here first!

He and Hillary are having an affair.

My guess is we now have proof Osama is dead.

It's sooo cold in here ...

That would be news of monstrous proportions, wouldn't it?

who shot the goose?

I think the big story is.... Kerry does not really like the French. He thinks eating snails is disgusting. He also dislikes French films because of all the subtitles. Steve Martin was right: it's like they've got a different word for everything. Plus like many of us Kerry probably has never understood why we call it the French and Indian War, when the French and most of the Indians were on the same side.

People are commenting under my name, so be careful. They are being banned the second after they post. FYI.

Ick! I wouldn't want that man to wash my car much less... what you suggested.

(I did not make that comment - Ed)

Kerry is running for dictator of Viet Nam. (He was there once for a day or two. To hunt geese or something.)

NCC,

I think Kerry spend a Christmas with the Indians(or Native AMericans)and French. It is burned into his memory. He went goose hunting with them. He has a magic Elmer Fud hat to prove it.

Bill

I know that this might not be the *surprise* your talking about (maybe it is), but, do you know anything about this?

I've heard a couple of times in passing on Monica Crowley's local radio show, that she knows an intel insider that says that Qadaffi let Saddam do his WMD research etc. in Libya because Libya was not being inspected by the UN. This story was supposed to be broken sometime in September/October.

However, the above link was all I could find.

Bill,

Due to the subarctic temperatures around here, I'm guessing the story might be related to Iran or North Korea. Is it getting any warmer in here?

Bill,

In two hours it is Monday in Guam. DOes that count?

Okay Bill, if people are posting using your name, does that mean we might be warm, and or even hot on some issues?

Not sure about Bill, but it means something to me Mikey? I say Bill should spill the beans, don't you? :-)

Sm and Luv,

I think Bill had to go to the bathroom or something.

sm,

I think getting three women annoyed is not a wise thing.

Iraq was indeed looking for fissionables in Africa and the proof is now clear about WMD etc. Only thing it could be.

Okay, my theory, based on absolutely nothing at all: the Kerry and Bush campaigns had agreed on groundrules for the debates, because some things couldn't fairly be mentioned without jeopardizing national security. Kerry was a sleaze and broached a topic he had agreed not to touch. Hence the angry and flustered Bush.

Guess #2: Something Sandy Berger related.

After reading Bill's post and Powerline more carefully, I retract my guess - doesn't support the Kerry lying part.

JPT,

Sounds pretty warm to me. But how could this effect Kerry? He can just say "I believed blah, blah, before I disbelieved blah, blah."

I wish to heck I could find something on this Qadaffi/Saddam/WMD connection. It made sense to me.

Monica said on her show that Saddam was heavily funding Qadaffi - and likely that's why he had to give up his ship so to speak.

I also wonder if Qadaffi had anything to do with tipping off the UN Oil-For-Food scandal(?)

Well,theories about Tora Bora and UBL being dead or captured are far-fetched despite enticing references to Josh Mitchell. Tommy Franks has refuted Kerry on the "Bush let him get away" story. Also, if UBL were captured or dead, someone would have leaked it.

So, I think it has to do with Iran or with contacts with foreign governments concerning U.S. policy--a suspect blurring of interests.

Ya know, maybe that is why Qadaffi threw up his hands so quickly. Maybe he felt that Bush would find out where the WMDs were and go after him.

Bill's watching the world series.

Kim Jong Il is not "ronery," as he and JFnK have been seeing each other since Carter introduced them back in '94.

Ok, maybe we could narrow this down if we all collaborate for a minute...Earlier someone said that this would refute something (related to foreign policy) that Kerry has been hammering. So, why don't we list the things he's been really going after recently? I'll start off...

1)UBL in Tora Bora

I still think it could be Tora Bora. Perhaps OBL is indeed dead, and Senator Kerry knows that because he was on the intelligence committee. In the name of National Security it is not suppose to be made public and Kerry uses that all the time against the President.

That would explain his Mrs. Heniz K response a month or so ago when she said that she wouldn't be surpised if OBL was found before the election...

Okay, I'm most likely cold Bill?

Kerry cheated in the first debate over an issue of foreign policy when he said something that the President could not refute for national security reasons. It would have been a bait that would have trapped Bush if he responded, a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose scenario. Could have been ToraBora, or N. Korea, Iran, -type falsehood. That could explain why Bush was so angry. Not any warmer, Bill?

sm,

I'm in the same boat as you--have this inclination to believe it has to do with UBL---but my only concern is that would definitely be something huge--which Bill said its not

UBL is a dead-end.

Just so you know, I'm enjoying your enthusiasm, though. (read: laughing at you) :-)

How could UBL be used against Kerry. He has been saying stupid things since day one and no one has called him on it to a great effect except the Swift Boat Vets and they aren't the Washington Times.

Hey Wait, the Washington Times is owned by a SOuth Korean!!!

He's trying to see if he can drive all of us nutz by ignoring us while he chuckles madly and kneads his hands together with a look of glee!

OK no, UBL.
How about, THK was actually found in the spiderhole with Saddam, and Saddam begged to get out, actually turned himself in. Is that closer?

Ok, It's about Kerry right? Am I getting warm? John Kerry of Viet Nam and geese and wind surfing like the rest of the regular guys right?

Bill's 10:42PM post -- I was right!

could it be found in some reference Kerry made durring a debate??

most probably 2nd debate.

or something silly like he really wasn't at the Russian bunker (kinda like Cambodia)

While the So. Korean connection is interesting--what could it be? Bush pretty much nailed Kerry on the multilateral vs. bilateral talks with N. Korea issue

Okay, Bill. I'm a little peeved that you're toying with us, but I've fallen into the trap so I guess I'll play along.

Is it more a foreign policy thing or more a homeland security thing???

sKerry's been spewing a lot of garbage about how Bush is f-ing up our homeland security. Am I getting warm??

Kathy,

I think someone threatened Kerry with 5 minutes in a room with Hillary.

Ok, Bill this had better be much better than who won American Idol or I am going to be really disappointed.

Mikey,
Don't you know Kerry used a body double for that windsurfing thing?
Did you hear that Kerry accused his fellow Ohio hunters of atrocities? He personally saw them cutting off ears. It was their own, they couldn't get him to shut up and they are claiming self-defense.

(I might as well join in the wild speculation)
Goose hunting? If Kerry had a dishonorable or bad-conduct discharge that wouldn't be such a big thing. But possession of a firearm would be federally prohibited. The Carter-era pardons may not change this, since the prohibition is based on "...have you ever been ..." Commitments, drug or misdemeanor spouse abuse convictions have the same effect. It's unlikely a bad-conduct or dishonorable discharge though.

Use of Intelligence(A) The first I've seen of "sort of exact" numbers on North Korean nukular capabilities

EDWARDS: ....North Korea has moved forward with their nuclear weapons program, gone from one to two nuclear weapons to six to eight nuclear weapons.

Use of Intelligence(B) We missed Osama at Tora Bora. Kerry knows this because ..... the Islamicist pig is living in a EU witless protection program. It is the safest place ObL would be able to find. The EU logic would be the same as their refusal to help uncover Sadaam's mass graves, or their refusal to train Iraqi judges: the US might execute them. It's a good probability the US would try Osama on chages that guarant...uhh involve the death penalty.

Kerry's "nuances" about where he was and when don't carry very much weight. No matter how many people point out the truth, he'll still get away with it. On the other hand, something struck me in the first debate about the senator's insistence on bilateral talks with North Korea. He's had his hand in that particular cookie jar for a long time now, and I wonder if maybe the cookie jar is about to bite back.

Kerry passed a bill he personally wrote to send all our flu vacine to Paris and Hanoi.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that this is going to be something fairly insignificant and inconsequential? :(

Its not fair! I want an October suprise already!

Let's use some logic here.....

Positive proof of OBL's death would be a BIG story. Bush would love to have it, but probably doesn't. If he did, it would be a prime-time press conference, not a Washington Times piece.

We do know that Kerry got some campaign donations from Kosovo groups that are linked to terrorism - and are supported by Iran. That could well be it - and would fit in with the reports that the blogosphere did a lot of the initial digging on the story.

Tora Bora? Maybe, but it would have to involve something that Bush and Kerry both knew - something along the lines that OBL had already bugged out. I'm not sure we would have pasted Tora Bora as much as we did if that had been the case.

Links of Saddam Hussein to previous terrorist attacks? Maybe. Certainly there was always suspicion about the Oklahoma City bombing, to say nothing of a lot of other terrorist acts.

And of course there is always the Oli-for-Bribes scandal. Hits at the U.N. - and it would not surprise me if some of the Democrats were on Saddam's payroll.

Personally, I hope Bill and the rest of the people who DO know can keep it under their hats for another 36 hours. Think about the schedule......

~1200 Saturday: Blogosphere alerted.
0500 Monday: Washington Times breaks story.
0700 Monday: Story hits Drudge, major blogs.
0900 Monday: Story hits FNC.
1200 Monday: Rush Limbaugh leads with Times story.
1300-2200 Monday: Story saturates New Media. Critical Mass.
Tuesday: Propaganda press forced to pick up story. Kerry starts taking damage.
Wedsneday: Story spreads. Damage accumulates. Attempts to lie out of it fail.
Thursday: Kerry campaign tries to get their October Surprise out. Attempt fails due to firestorm.......

There is no story. It is just a rumor. Started by the Evil genius (Rove) to keep the dems off balance. They are tracking this down instead of stuffing ballot boxs
that is my theory

Something to do with this?

I think it is this girl he was supposed to be having and affair with, who WAS in Kenya.

Well, shes back and she has his baby.

kerrysux,

They have felons to do that didn't you know? They also have thugs to menace old people at the polls.

Such a classy group these dems. I wanna be just like them when I grow up.

Maybe it's got something to do with Israel.

Prophet,

That is interesting! Of course, as I said a few hours ago, I wouldn't be surprised if THK is putting money into the terrorist groups.

Okay, a little while ago I went and read debat 2 and copied key insufferable Kerry "I was at that bunker", "I was at Kyoto" blah blahs

One that I copied with keen interest, becuase I remember "powerlines" post "Thank you Nikki" right after the debate had to do with, well here is the question...

"GIBSON: The next question is for President Bush, and it comes from Nikki Washington.

WASHINGTON: Thank you.

Mr. President, my mother and sister traveled abroad this summer, and when they got back they talked to us about how shocked they were at the intensity of aggravation that other countries had with how we handled the Iraq situation. 

Diplomacy is obviously something that we really have to really work on. 

What is your plan to repair relations with other countries given the current situation?"

now here is Kerry's answe (after Bush),

"KERRY: Nikki, that's a question that's been raised by a lot of people around the country. 

Let me address it but also talk about the weapons the president just talked about, because every part of the president's answer just now promises you more of the same over the next four years. 

The president stood right here in this hall four years ago, and he was asked a question by somebody just like you, "Under what circumstances would you send people to war?"

And his answer was, "With a viable exit strategy and only with enough forces to get the job done." 

He didn't do that. He broke that promise. We didn't have enough forces.

General Shinseki, the Army chief of staff, told him he was going to need several hundred thousand. And guess what? They retired General Shinseki for telling him that. 

This president hasn't listened. 

I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable. 

I came away convinced that, if we worked at it, if we were ready to work and letting Hans Blix do his job and thoroughly go through the inspections, that if push came to shove, they'd be there with us. 

But the president just arbitrarily brought the hammer down and said, "Nope. Sorry, time for diplomacy is over. We're going."

He rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. 

Ladies and gentleman, he gave you a speech and told you he'd plan carefully, take every precaution, take our allies with us. He didn't. He broke his word. "

and then I saw the post on Redstate

The Kerry story By: LagunaDave
I think the Vietnam thing is played out.  Anybody who would be persuaded about that has already made up their mind.

My guess:  Have they busted him for the claim that he met with the UN Security Council before the vote authorizing the war.

In the course of looking for his specific quote, I found this story:

Kerry Says He Met With UN Security Council

This story, dated October 23, says in part:

The Washington Times conducted interviews with embassies of countries opposing the war in Iraq and concluded that there had been no meetings between Mr. Kerry and foreign heads of state since the beginning of 2003. After a review of Mr. Kerry's schedule, it was shown he had no opportunities for personal meetings with foreign heads of state, save one on September 24 when the New Zealand Foreign Minister was in Washington. Several foreign leaders including Germany's Schroeder and the Australian Foreign Minister deny any contact with Kerry.

So this shows that the Washington Times has been pursuing this story.  Maybe they have on-the-record statements contradicting Kerry.

so I throw it out there, becuase well this is fun.

Anyone think this might be an angle?

Peapies--that might be it. I get the feeling that its something that will be important to us, but will go over the heads of 90% of the public. It will be the type of thing that is news for a day, and then forgotten. Your story fits into that criteria, as well as all the other mentioned earlier (e.g. something Kerry has claimed, related to foreign policy, etc)

Kerry claimed to fly a jet upside down over Israel. It never happened and there's proof.

peapies,

Kerry has always said he met with this person or that leader wants him to win Quote "None of your business."

He is so full of it. But did he do anything that will get him the wedgie he deserves?

I like the idea that Kerry said something in the debates that he KNEW WASN'T TRUE. Something classified that Kerry knew because he sat on the intelligence committee (not like he ever showed up, but maybe someone else took notes for him).

He slammed Bush with a load of crap in the debate, knowing Bush couldn't refute him for national security reasons. (Hence, Dubya's scowl).

But now, Bush got the info declassified (or it somehow magically got leaked to the Times).

What do y'all think??

Sirius--I really like that angle too...now if we could just figure out which, of the many, lies it was....>

We just Got a Tip...

Power Line:

...that a major newspaper will break a front-page story Monday morning that could create a serious problem for the Kerry campaign. We don't yet have any details, but it relates to a foreign policy issue, and it will call into question--amazingly enough--John Kerry's truthfulness.

I wonder if it has to do with that supposed trip he took to the cease-fire or peace talks or surrender (depending on your frame) of the Iraqi's during Gulf War 1. Kerry stated he attended the signing during the debate. Thousands of Freepers searched for verification but could only come up with a delegation from Congress briefly in the area and not on the day of the signing.

This is ludicrous. For it to be BIG, it needs to be simple and obvious. Something that Joe SixPack can understand while he's driving to work.

Kerry contradicting himself on Tora Bora is OK but not really very big. Security council stuff? Yawn. Prove he lied.

So what is it? OUT WITH IT!!!

I bet the "bunker busting nuke" was a black program. Also, which Korean dictator would feel threatened with the idea of a "bunker busting nuke?"

Although highly unlikely, a return of the 'Global Test' comment with, say, Kerry Campaign or associate assurances to 'some' entities to not use unilateral force would be quite the coup.

For all those new to this thread--the story is not supposed to be "HUGE"--Bill's words were "not huge, but interesting."

Well, how about this speculation? Kerry-Heinz through the Heinz foundation have been donating money to organizations that are fronts for terrorist groups.

Kerry's criticism of Bush on Tora Bora may be undercut by the fact that his wife's foundation's donations have gone to organizations that have protected and shielded Bin Laden.

It is documented that Kerry has received contributions from KLA a listed terrorist organization. And, it is documented that the Heinz Foundation has contributed $8 million to the Tides Foundation which supports the Iraqi Peace Foundation, the NLG, the Democratic Justice Fund and some other very questionable organizations. Big rivers of money flowing into pools dedicated to the protection of Iraqis and the protection of suspicious Muslims. The connection of such groups with efforts to shield Bin Laden could possibly be traced.

Maybe I am overthinking this?

I happen to think that it was HUGE that he returned from VM, pitched his medals, stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back, sponged offa women...but to no avail.

Why don't they just tell us now? What were the quotes that were erased?

Something that did or did not happen in the past few years....sounds kind of lame.

Wow, I've been quoted!

The Security Council thing isn't a bolt from the blue that will strike Kerry dead and lead to a 50-state sweep.

But if he has lied about meetings with other countries' diplomats, then *they* know he was lying, and it can't do much for Lurch's oh-so-wonderful diplomatic credibility, which his entire foreign policy is based on. Who will negotiate with you if you lie about diplomatic meetings that never took place?

It's reminiscent of Gore's exaggerations, which I think were pretty damaging to him.

Also, *if* this is the story, and they have diplomats from the UN on the record as contradicting it, it would put Kerry in the uncomfortable position of having to call his global-test friends (you know, the ones who are going to send legions of troops to Iraq as soon as he takes the oath) liars.

I Bet I know what it is... it has to do with the kerrys not paying SSI taxes, etc on all of the illegal aliens they have working at her various mansions.

kerry's first marriage was NEVER ANULLED, so he is a sinner in the eyes of the Vatican.

Corndog is right

he did say he participated in the ceasefire!

God, Kerry is Forrest Gump! I bet corndog is right...

and if you re-read debate 2 it is interesting that Kerry said SUPPORTED CLINTONS use of force in Iraq, yet NO support fot Bush 41 and now apparently 43 (even though he voted for it for 43, go figue?)

kerry was working for binh

Peapies has an interesting angle. The only trouble is the UN story broke already, so there must be something else for the Monday story.

Seriously I doubt this "story" will move any votes unless it is truly radioactive.

If Kerry and his troops met with the Iranians or the North Koreans and told them not to agree with anything Powell or Dubya has to offer then you have a story...

If Kerry and his troops met with the French and Germans and told them not to cooperate in NATO's role for helping the Iraqi effort then you have an explosive story...

But Bill said the story is not HUGE but interesting, so I am opting for just a headline story that won't chg anything in this race.

kerry campaign officials have been meeting with arafat's people

kerry wasn't for it before he was against it;

he was against it before he was for it.

whatver it was....

How about something to do with him killing the Vietnam Human rights bill in the senate after it passed in Congress with only one nay?

That has always seemed fishy to me.

Maybe something to do with trade relations with Vietnam? Or normalizing relations with them in 1995?

kerry's late on his loan payments

kerry's cancer has spread

kerry didn't shoot no goose

kerry put a wad on the cards

kerry was dishonorably discharged

The bunker-busting nuke has been trotted out in the past by lefties, long before the debate. So if it was "secret", it was already an open one.

Even if that were the story, I don't think it would impugn Kerry's honesty. It would be bad judgement, but not dishonest.

kerry is very ronery

Given the MSM's coddling of Kerry, the story will have to be something truly objectionable. Bill! Is it a dead girl, a live boy, or a farm animal?

kerry cousin forbes got an oil voucher from saddam

theresa was big depositor with BCCI

kerry stole w's debate manual

I just took a peek at other blogs (powerline, lgf, hedgehog, redstate,polipundit) and I'm beginning to think there is NO STORY, and this was just a hoax email sent around to folks who host well-known conservative web-logs.

theresa and soros manipulated the share price of sinclair to force them to abandon their broadcast of stolen valor

I just took a peek at other blogs (powerline, lgf, hedgehog, redstate,polipundit) and I'm beginning to think there is NO STORY, and this was just a hoax email sent around to folks who host well-known conservative web-logs.

Yeah, except the blogs are in on the story. Try again, Inspector.

Alright, you got me. The story is about me and what I did in a Boston bar after consuming too much gin and raisins, white raisins. But this election is not about me. It's about John Kerry. Now go watch STOLEN HONOR online for FREE.

Teresa Heinz no more Kerry

Zarqawi...?

I think it's Tora Bora, but not the thing about the Kerry quote supporting it. I think it more likely that it is that Kerry has knowledge of the events that took place at Tora Bora that show his attacks on Bush to be false. He may have gained that knowledge from the Senate Intelligence Committee or some other source. My second guess would be something to do with Iran or N. Korea.

For Notthisgirl

The source is John Loftus (FOXNEWS - Expert former Ast US Atty). Story is nuclear conspiracy involving Iraq, Libya, and North Korea using tech of Dr. A. Q. Kahn tech. Supposedly Saddam shifted his nuke building effort to tunnels of Libya and was close to making one.

North Korea was "shitting bricks" when it became apparent the US was going to go into Iraq because they kept detailed docs like the Nazis.

Gahdfay supposedly got a new case of religion and turned in all his stuff when he saw Saddam dragged from his rat hole.

See this link on our site for ref to news articles on this.

Link Here

This was the strategic reason for going to Iraq when we did. Also this gave us a foothold in the middle between Syria and Iran.

BTW there is a companion thread about most of the WMD went into Syria before the war. Some of the chem weapons were what the idiots were going to use in Amman Jordan.

Also while were at it, the Iranian people would overthrow their Islamofascist government given half a chance. I would be willing to bet with have special ops folks on the ground there now re the recent increase in student unrest.

See this link re what the Blogosphere can do support this movement from the safety of their keyboards:

Link Here

Ron Wright, Moderator
HSPIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org

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Ouch!

I go sit in the spa for an hour and come back to find you have laughed at me Bill? :(

"(read: laughing at you) :-)"

Sorry must have had a typo in my link above to the conspiracy theory.

Also while on our site check out our WMD forums where this link will take you for many other stories including the WMD going into Syria.

Here's the full URL link and I will attempt to do a hot link again:

http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=979

Link Here

Ron Wright, Moderator
HSPIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org

"Yeah, except the blogs are in on the story. Try again, Inspector."

Damn, Bill!!! I was hoping to insult you into revealing something!!!!

Oh well, patience is a virtue....

"The Washington Times conducted interviews with embassies of countries opposing the war in Iraq and concluded that there had been no meetings between Mr. Kerry and foreign heads of state since the beginning of 2003. After a review of Mr. Kerry's schedule, it was shown he had no opportunities for personal meetings with foreign heads of state, save one on September 24 when the New Zealand Foreign Minister was in Washington. Several foreign leaders including Germany's Schroeder and the Australian Foreign Minister deny any contact with Kerry."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/8/prweb148423.htm

Okay Bill, gone an hour and NO additional hints. Where is Mikey and her PMS?

Kerry negotiated with, or attempted to negotiate with, the Iraqi government before the war. Shades of Viet Nam....

The story: Conservative bloggers experience huge spike in traffic due to rumor! And whatever it is, it won't be half as long as this comment box when written. ha ha ha

Heh.

Not a huge spike in traffic, mostly comments.

Fox is reporting 6 Tunisian doctors have arrived to treat arafat. he might finnaly be on his last legs!

Can't be "meeting with the enemy" because he would just be able to deny that. Like he was "meeting with the enemy, before he meeting against them?"

Kerry secretly smuggled one of the limited flu vaccines to Yassir Arafat, as a thank you for his endorsement. Must be it :P

Does that mean Blogs CONTRIBUTED to the story? Sorta Rathergate-ISH like???

Wait a second...we haven't heard a lot about rathergate OR Bill Burkett, you know the guy that called Joe Lockhart and Max Cleland.........but it is foreign policy...sorry for the tangent... it is that is was Krempasky that posted on redstate and I have an email from rathergate, so well I through it out again

Okay, I give up. I will wait till Monday...

*sigh* I'm not very good at waiting...

Bill quotes from this thread: (my comments parsed)

"It is about something that happened or did not happen in the past few years." (not exactly recent)

"mistakes were made, and other mistakes weren't" (an upset in a Dem tenet)

"I think it's a very important bit of info, but I also think that cheating in a debate is important, so what do I know, right?" (not a death blow, but rather a destabilizer)

"the blogs are in on the story." (mostly ignored in the MSM)

There are topics that can be ruled out with this info, but many that fit. I lean towards what was whispered into Bush's ear on 9/11.

OK, since I am a news junkie and an avid blog watcher I don't think I'll sleep until this breaks.

It better be worth it.

And, if you can't tell us what it is, can you tell us what it is not?

punk boy

I would like to know exactly how hard this kicks Kerry in the nads! Will this only make him cringe, or will this cause him to retaliate?

Plus, I think Bill has hit the hay.

I think everyone has already listed what it is not.

True, I think we'e eliminated just about everything it is not. I'm just anxious. But, whatever it is I hope it hits Kerry hard enough to throw him off balance if only temporarily.

I get this weird sense that somebody in a foreign government has conclusive proof that Kerry urged France, Germany and other allies not to participate in the coalition.

If Kerry was working actively to compel "traditional allies" not to back the War, that is a helluva story that could sink him.

If he prevented us from getting more help, he has American blood on his hands .... again.

Well, Bill, come on, a little spike for you would be like an instalance to me - and my clicks from TB's to the Kyoto angle have been pretty significant. Though I'm far from convinced that's it - it is yet another significant case of Kerry having it both ways that will go unreported by the MSM.

uh ... lanche, instalanche - sorry my French sucks!

I'm still convinced Bill is sawing logs. Prove me wrong, Bill...I dare you!

OK what it is not

UBL/AFG

I don't think it has anything to do with iraq - except to say there might be evidence of WMD in classified meetings, trade with syrians or something along that line

nothing on debates really

So where does that leave it.

1: foreign poilicy
2: recent
3: mistakes - but not really.
4: info will likely be available on internet (blogoshpere breaks it and most info comes from - the internet)

My guess is money/donations

Kerry is a traditional political money sump and takes money fromanyone and everyone (he was even implicated in an FBI investigation in the 80s for taking bribes from the chinese)

we know he has recieved money from the mullah supported groups in the US

He can't trackall his donations and no one seems to be doing a good vetting process for him so I would guess that he has recieved some money from a foreign source recently. a source of questionable nature.

a french group?
iranian group?
Oil for food scandal??? - the american names were left off that list - excpt when it intially spilled out of iraq. that info was quickly scooped up by intel agencies and state and hidden, only rcently resurfacing. but it only names foreign recipients of bribes not American recipients.

couldit be he has recieved money from the oil for food scandal???

I think the best question that has yet to be asked is this...WILL THIS HELP OR BENEFIT W IN ANY WAY?

punk boy brings in a new good angle-

allrighty then...

there have been lots of unnoticed money donations this election cycle that have gone unnoticed by the MSM, as shocking as that sounds.

We're they from Koreans? I think so

but good angle punky brewster boy

The blogospherics of this announcement are interesting. Just look at all the speculation and brainstorming it's generated. This thread is a fascinating little sluicebox for nuggets among all the Kerry dirt and things are coming up that I hadn't heard of before.

For example, Red State links to a Kos commenter who said, "I wonder if it's about Kerry's European divorce?" If that's true, I never even knew Kerry had a European divorce (whatever that is--I assume it's just a divorce decree entered in a country in Europe.) Not a big deal, of course, but it's interesting to see people straining to guess the prize here.

On this thread, everyone's like "wait...didn't Kerry say something good about Bunker Busters once in my hometown paper? No, no...", trying to put two and two together. It will be interesting to see if anything useful appears between now and Sunday midnight when the story breaks. If not it's still a great litany of Kerry's problems and the Kossacks are doing half the work in compiling it. I smell evil genius...must be all Karl Rove's doing.

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See Dubya

well put!

I hope the big scoop is not that Kerry was making a false claim about the supposed "failure to get OBL" when Tora Bora was bombed, unless there's absolute, concrete proof that OBL a) was indeed not there; and, b) the Bush administration knew OBL was not there; and, c) Kerry was aware of "a" and "b".

My reasoning is: unless this info has been de-classified, neither Kerry nor Bush nor anybody else in Washington officialdom will be able to verify whether or not the story is true. Kerry, for instance, will simply say he "can't get into that" or "won't comment on classified information". Then the story will die.

And, I must say, I find it a bit of a stretch that John Kerry would knowingly make a wrongful accusation of this type. I'm not doubtful because I possess a high opinion of Kerry's integrity, rather, I'm doubtful because Kerry surely would realize that, in making such an accusation, he would be rather recklessly exposing himself to a potentially damaging, and substantive counterattack. After all, it is the defense and national security apparatus -- not the Kerry campaign -- that determines which information needs to be classified and which does not. What if the information about OBL's flight to Baluchistan (or wherever) were revealed, or leaked? Surely Kerry would realize making such a reckless, misleading accusation in the public forum of a televised debate would leave him open to charges of lying, or hypocrisy (wouldn't he?).

Furthermore, isn't one likely attribute of such a story going to be the possibly uncomfortable light it shines on administration policy? If OBL is indeed residing in Western Pakistan and we've been aware of this fact for several years, why haven't we taken him? Yes, I'm aware there may be reasonable strategic reasons why in such a case we've yet to take him, or pehaps significant difficulties in doing so, but none of these reasons or difficulties are something the administration is likely to want to publicly discuss one week before election day.

At any rate, maybe I've missed something obvious in my reasoning, but, the Tora Bora theory doesn't smell to me like the big, damaging anti-Kerry story of my dreams.

If it's indeed foreign policy-related, my hope would be for something involving the French (or Germans), or the UN, or the Isrealis and Palestinians.

Tora Bora is out: if it were classified info, no one could confirm it. So unless "Tora Bora" was specifically mentioned in the agreed debate rules, forget it. Weren't they made public somewhere?

Yellowcake is too obscure. We've always known the Brits got the intelligence from the French. Other confirmation of Iraq trying to buy yellowcake wouldn't impinge Kerry's truthfulness, since again it would be classified and not confirmable.

Kerry not being at the ceasefire signing is already known, not a big story at all . . . Page A-19, 16 point header.

Kerry's people meeting with Aragat or Iran wouldn't be about his truthfulness, although it could be big. Bill knows enough to mention truthfulness, so that ain't it, either.

Perhaps something Kerry wrote to someone about his postions . . . "I know it's BS, but I have to say it for political gain" or some such. Is he dumb enough to have done that?

I give up!!!!

Thanks, Peapies.

My own guess is--besides the Vietnam stuff above--is that it's something to do with Kerry's Cayman offshore banking. Hugh Hewitt had blogged a little about that a while back; maybe Drudge linked it, too. The Globe had the documents, I think. It was an early 90's story, originally,but
maybe something in THK's tax records has shed new light on that...or some new evidence has come out about it.

There's also the extremely frickin' obvious fact that Kerry authorized Bush I's pre-emptive, unilateral invasion of Panama in 1989, so why the hell is he kicking about Iraq now?

OBL contrary to what Sen Kerry is saying is really strategically not relevant now. If he's not dead (no videos/tapes recently) is is operationally cut off and is not able to issue commands.

OBL and aQ are just the visual manifestations of the bigger movement. Here's an excerpt of a paper I'm working on:

The enemy is driven by the ideology of radical Islamic extremism or as some historians have termed Islamofascism. While Osama Bin Laden and aQ are the usual visual manifestations, the enemy is actually a confederation of terrorists groups that extends from Northwest Africa eastward to the Philippines. This is the former expanse of the Islamic Empire of the 12th Century. These are similar to the religious/social cults of the West. A common bond of Islamofascism unites these groups. Recent migrations have occurred into Northern Europe, Canada, the U.S., and some Nordic countries.

My moneys on where the WMD went and John Loftus's conspiracy theory I mentioned in the post earlier.

Ron Wright, Moderator
HSPIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org

How about this ? Kerry knows that there ARE wmd, but that they were taken out of Iraq before the war, and that Bush and Kerry BOTH know where they are located in Syria and Lebanon.

The setup before the fall?

Kerry record in Senate put premium on probes Washington Times Story 10/24

I never knew how much of a news junkie I was until tonight.

Senator ZarKerry is going to loose regardless of what happens on monday.

Is it just me or was Scarborough Country wonderful TV last night. The dems are imploding.

It's amazing what an extra letter will do to a post.

okay
a silly little live(pre-taped)blog for levity...

as per drudge, and sicne I am on the west coast just watched SNL ashleeeee Simpson first lyp synch and no run off....

waiting for #2

my bet is it has to do with a trip abroad or visit with foreign dignataries or meeting with leaders kerry claims to have made and help inform his policy position but didn't actually make it.

i think he said he went to afghanistan in one of the debates, any confirmation on that?

I figure it will deal with one of the following. There is credible evidence supporting every one of these...

1. Kerry received a dishonorable discharge.

2. Kerry's campaign is receiving donations from terrorist fundraiser(s). In particular, Florin Krasniki...who supports the KLA.

3. Kerry's campaign is receiving large amounts of money from a pro-Iranian mullah group...on the list, Hassan Nemazee. This would prove greatly suspicious...as to why Kerry would want to give nuclear fuel to Iran.

"I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable.
"

Bet on that.. only a more detailed investigation.
Yes it's been broke before but pehaphs they've got more to run with now. It's a one day story, though at least it's simple to get through to people.

Good Morning!

sm- Sorry had to get some sleep. Fatigue and water weight gain are not pretty!

As I said before - deatails smetails, Follow the dinero.

Zakerry (I really like that) and is significant other (no, not his ego) are awash in money. Terroriza, who doesn't doesn't have a job, put the money that she got by sleeping with a guy (maybe she DOES have a job) into every crack-pot cause she can think of.

I'd like to see them both sink. ITS audit anybody?

GACK! I meant IRS audit or, maybe she is here illegally! INS?

Don't forget this quote from the Redstate folks:

"Call it another chapter in the story of John Kerry making stuff up."

Most likely something he said he did, but didn't do.

Don't forget this tip too!

It's something that the Kerry campaign will be forced to address regarding a previous criticism of Bush's foreign policy

Therefore, I doubt it has to do with the funneling of $ into Kerry's campaign.

So I took Bill's (or maybe Not Bill's) hint about nipples cutting glass and paid Protien Wsdom a visit. It was more than worth it but mind, the drink alert is in effect!

But Zakerry (love this!) is always backing away from something that he says. Everyone with an IQ above that of a rhutabaga knows he's a phony, liar. What else is new?

It's about Kerry making stuff up? Maybe he pretended to be a full-time US Senator, while he was really moonlighting as Lurch on the Addams Family.

I know... I know... Kerry piloted one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center... Wait, that doesn't work, does it...

Devnulled,

I think your onto it. I read that article by the times this a.m. and believe it is a set up. My take is the following:

Kerry knew something due to his position on intelligence committee(s), something big, and accused Bush knowing that it wasn't true.

Look for news to come out tonight that Kerry has been secretly negotiating with foreign leaders, including Chirac, Shroeder, and Putin. An agreement has been reached that would provide in the neighborhood of 50,000 UN troops for various activities in Iraq in exchange for a guaranteed support of Kyoto and other US concessions.

This is contingent upon a Kerry victory.

Kerry will defend this breach in protocol by saying that Iraq is such a mess that it is necessary for him to pave the way to hit the ground running once he is elected.

Developing....

I don't know what Craig is talking about, but he's arctic cold.

P.S. This was posted on Free Republic. Have no idea whether true or not or what the source is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255251/posts?q=1&&page=51

Link to the Free Republic post.

Thanks for discounting this Bill. That's why I posted it.

Thread has been pulled at Free Republic already. It was posted by someone who'd signed up today.

But am I "arctic cold" Bill, am I?

Morning...hey mikey!

I've been playing "ketch up" this morning...but have seen NO other hints from Bill?

Hey Bill, another hint...PLEASSSSSE.

I'm afraid we're going to be playing this game all day and night. No one is going to spill the beans early, and I don't blame them. Don't want to give Kerry's team time to figure out how to defend it.

Oh sure dmo, throw cold water over all of us. :-)

It will break in a major newspaper (not considered conservative)....all about Kerry

Nannygate? Didn't pay SS taxes?

Couldn't be that Craig since it isn't a foreign policy issue? Also, if it were that it wouldn't have anything to do with W, would it?

Bill,

Is this story likely to have an effect on the election? The thought of ZaKerry and Terroriza in the White House leave a sick feeling in my stomach.

Hey ladies! Hi Guys!

Can you imagine what the White HOuse would look like with those two creeps in ite? I shudder to think how Terroriza would treat the staff and Gawd frobid, you would have to be on someone's hit list to have to be assigned to be her security. She'd probablyl use you like she uses all of her servants. You know, the ones she gained from marrying into wealth and not through anything but what we will not mention in polite company here.

Tell me, Why does she keep her dead husband's name? Isn't she Just T Kerry? Maybe she wants to remind Zakerry where his meal ticket is coming form.

Think about it guys. Every house, every car, every boat, every plane that that creep walks on is his wife's. Not because she worked 24/7 to get it but because she married a rich guy and he died. Now Zakerry is her prostitute. That is probably why he doesn't tell her to STFU.

Betcha this has to do with her money....

Mikey,

If it has to do with her $$, then how can it be related to a Kerry criticism of Bush's foreign policy--doesn't make sense to me :(

I sure hope this story pans out. I've already told several Kerry supporters to watch out for the WaTimes on Monday.

Luv...

TKerry's survivor money goes to many foreign causes. She is not a native born American and has been a socialist all of her life. SHe got a hold of all of this money and, with her good friend George Sorryass, has been funneling her dead husband's money into all sorts of causes.

Why do you think that she is hiding the rest of her tax returns? Because you see Ms. 12.5% income tax paid (I am in 35% bracket myself and this chaps my undies!)will have to show where her money is going and the American people would be very angry to see that her causes are anti-American.

Follow the money.

I think the RedState writer who referred to Kerry's "European divorce" misinterpreted what the Kos commenter said:

the old kerry divorce story that broke overseas and not here... some scandal of some type.

The Kos commenter didn't say that Kerry got divorced in Europe, just that the story was covered there. Since the story supposedly has to do with foreign policy, I doubt it's that.

Mikey,

I understand that Terroriza's $ could be going to shady organizations and governments, but I don't see how this relates to a foreign policy CRITICISM against Bush. If I'm missing something, please fill me in.

By the way, I LOVE your take on people's names. George Sorryass is great!

KnightHawk is probably the closest. Though the press should run with the three that I've stated as well. There will be some other breakings news soon...two things...at least a little bird tells me this.

Just a quick comment about Terroriza's $, don't forget that her LATE husband was a Republican.

MONDAY SURPRISE!

FOXNews is reporting that Saddam may have tried to buy votes on the UN Security council. Therefore....my bet is the story is the Wash Times is going to reveal memos naming names of bribed government officials in France, Germany and/or Russia. This covers both Kerry's foreign policy criticisms of Bush and casts doubt on Kerry's ability to garner support of "allies" who aren't playing both sides and taking MASSIVE bribes. If correct, do I win a prize? Autographed picture maybe?

also, did i beat Drudge to it? :)

AM Joe

Doesn't fit the criteria - it has to do with Kerrys integrity as related to foreign policy. At least that is the clues known so far.

Sm: It is what his wife did with his money AFTER he died that matters. She took HIS money and turned back into heself (She was born in Mozambique-yes Marxist Monzambique) ZaKerry went to Swiss boarding schools.

How in the world can those two relate to 99% of the American people?

I work many hours-vertically-to earn my money. How can those two who got their money horizontally give me advice on how I should spend the money I earned?

Then they have the nerve to hide 1/2 of their taxes and then pay ONLY 12.5% How in the name of Sangre de Cristo can they even stand on the same platform as someone who works hard and makes 200K (the usual small business owner) and say that this person needs to pay more!

What arrogance, What ignorance! Geez!

Luv.. Thanks.

AMJoe,

I don't think that this relevation will get much more than a hohum. It is par for the course for Zakerry. Unless there is a check with his name on it, it will have very little impact.

The MSM will say it is only about sex.

Kerry accused Bush of being too close with the Saudis- Kerry took large sums of money from the Saudi royal family

Kerry accused Bush of ignoring Iran and letting the Europeans do the negotiating over the nuclear power plant- Kerry knows the Bush admin had secret negotiations with the mullahs

Kerry has denounced Bush for not having unilateral negotiations with the North Koreans- Kerry knows the Bush admin had secret negotiations with the North Koreans

The Tora Bora thing where Kerry accused Bush of letting Osama escape- Kerry was told long ago Osama was never in Tora Bora

Kerry says he will get more allies to join us in Iraq- France, Germany and Russia have all told Bush they will send troops to Iraq once the US election is over

Kerry claimed to fly a jet over Israel but never did-

It's not huge, but it's interesting.
Posted by Bill from INDC

i'll stand by my guess anyway. after all, it depends on what the meaning of the word "integrity" is. :)

Jim,

All of that is true, but we know that ZaKerry is a total bag of wind.

How can anything that he says be used against him now.

He and his wife are like the crazy cousins that we don't mention or invite to polite parties cause they get drunk and embarass the rest of us.

I'll bet that is how the "normal" Dem is looking at these two loonies right now.

It must be gaspingly embarassing to tell anyone you support Senator Windbag and his Corella Devile his wife.

TK: Take a shower, comb your hair and for Gawd's sake stand up straight!

I agree with Veritas; it will probably be that kerry actually received a less than honorable discharge, (possibly even dishonorable) due to his anti-war activities while still a rese