Wasn't Kerry descended from the Prophet last week? And a Jew the week before? What's next, descended from Joseph Smith and Martin Luther?

Kerry's in BIG trouble if he makes a bible gaffe.

I am imagining the sneers of "King George" if the press were to fall over themselves pronouncing President Bush's patrician lineage. Wasn't the Revolution supposed to do away with this sort of pretension and snivelling?

Most of my ancestors are anaerobic bacteria.

I don't think it's very serious. I was certainly just presenting it as a joke.

Bill,
This is semi off-topic, but did you see the two nights of scaborugh where Lawrence O'Donnell called the presidents faith "simple-minded"? I'm agnostic( raised catholic ) and I found it amazingly arrogant. Buchanan and he argued over it on the second night, you could tell Buchanan was taken aback.

Since many of the people who are anti-Bush hold their views specifically because of Bush's outward (and sincere) expressions of faith, I think we need to highlight Kerry's new-found faith.

If religion is seen as an evil, then the ABB crowd can be persuaded to vote for Nader! (Sorry, Kerry, either way - a vote for Bush or a vote for Nader - you lose.)

Soldier's Mom -- those people won't be bothered by Kerry's new-found faith, because they know he doesn't mean it.

This is semi off-topic, but did you see the two nights of scaborugh where Lawrence O'Donnell called the presidents faith "simple-minded"?

Didn't see it. And while I'm probably best described as "agnostic" as well, I have very, very deep faith that Lawrence O'Donnell is a smarmy ass.

Just as he exploited his fellow veterans, we saw him do it again; this time, in the third debate exploiting Mary Cheney for his personal gain. Now G_d, too, is expected submit a pound of flesh to the glorification of The New Torquemada. Perhaps CBS can soon release its secret letter from Jesus affirming: "John Kerry is better than you because."

Oedipus Monsterous. His mother knew his weaknesses of character, thus her deathbed admonition to him: "Integrity, Integrity, Integrity."

Lynn Cheney was right. This is not a good man. Not even close.

One only need consider the many thousands of innocents Kerry has systematically trashed, snubbed and exploited on his glorious path to realize his mother's dream. With the self-assuredness of a psychopath, he showed us who he was in his predatory appropriation of Mary Cheney's sexuality as a political weapon against her father.

That John Kerry has since proven incapable of showing true remorse is the biggest red flag of all.

I find it ironic that in an ostensibly secular republic, voters put a great store in candidates' faith.

--|PW|--

Not to add to the confusion, but didn't Kerry try to pass himself off (in Boston, mostly) as Irish several times during his various Senatorial campaigns?

PW:
The governmnet is required to be secular, the voters are free to be as partisan towards religon as they want to be. That's why its freedom of religon. The purpose of the secularity of the government is to avoid religous wars, not to promote atheism.

Pennywit,
I wouldn't care is he was Hindu, Jewish, or Cherokee - but what he is is a fraud.

Sincerity matters.

Ostensibly secular Republic? Is that liberal for they don't believe in God? I think the vast majority of Americans do believe in God whether they show it or not. Agnostics are chicken atheists.

What some journalist said the other day is closer to the truth about the two candidates. Bush goes to church to worship. Kerry goes to church for a political rally.

I fully comprende this was an attempt at humor but it in fact is an important issue to us uneducated masses.

Agnostic = Someone who does not believe in God or his existence.

Atheist = Someone who claims to be able to prove God does not exist.

Perhaps I should have phrased this a little differently. When I say "ostensibly secular republic," I refer to the fact that there is a concerted effort in the Constitution and in the attendant law to make sure there is no religious qualification for office, no government endorsement of religion, etc.

The irony, I think, is that because of the American electorate's attitude, a person effectively can't be elected president if he appears to be insufficiently religious.

--|PW|--

Agnostics are chicken atheists.

As an "agnostic/chicken atheist," I can offer the following: as part of your post outlines, there is a difference between admitting lack of knowledge and aggressively making unproven "factual" assertions.

If I was as condescending to religious belief as you seem to be to non-religious belief, you'd probably blow a gasket. Remember where you are commenting.

Of course you have all heard of the dyslexic, agnostic insomniac?

He laid awake at night wondering about the existence of dog......

Kerry is an empty suit, who has made a career of saying what enough people wanted to hear to be elected in the most liberal corner of the country. His remarks about his Catholic beliefs come across as empty words, just like the rest of his empty rhetoric.

Ouch. That joke was painful.

Ron, according to New Republic, Bush doesn't actually go to any church, at least not more than a couple times a year. I don't hold it against him, though. Better to believe in God and let it actually make a difference, than go mass every week but have it make no difference whatsoever.

Carol

Wow, wait 'til word of Kerry having jewish ancestry and being the descendent of one who led the Crusades gets out to the Middle East. My head is already spinning from the expected conspiracy theories I'm going to hear the next time I'm in that region.

An American-Jewish Crusader? That's like the ULTIMATE infidel!

Well I am one of those people of faith similar to Bush's "simple mindedness" and frankly Bush's comes across as real and personal, Kerry comes across as using it like everything else to score political points.

"Kerry's in BIG trouble if he makes a bible gaff"

He already made a slight one (he inserted "body" when he quoted the "love the Lord with all your heart, strength and soul" he used "body" in place of "strength")

I honestly hate all the polliticking that goes on in churches, and I think the dem candidates get by with far more than any GOPer would ever hope to. I think part of it is that the dems go to traditionally black churches, and I think criticism is witheld out of fear of being labeled racist.

There was one visit in Miami a week or so ago, where Jackson led the parishioners in a cheer for Kerry, and the pastor referred to Kerry as "president"

So John Kerry's related to the Albanian royal house? Makes sense, I suppose, given that his economic plan amounts to a pyramid scheme...

Kerry related to Henry II?? Must be from his son John, called Lackland. Old Henry must be in despair!