Just like Rather, Carl Cameron needs to go.

I am very disappointed.

I disagree. If Cameron's fake quotes were posted due to an error and not malice, such a reaction is ridiculously extreme.

It's also important to consider that if Rather would have pulled the Guard story and apologized with the speed that FOX News displayed in this instance, it certainly wouldn't have blossomed into the horrible scandal for CBS that it is today.

Mistakes happen. The motivation and reason for the mistakes, as well as how they are handled, determine the appropriate damage and responsiblity.

Carl Cameron has always been the weak link in Fox's political team. Der Schirkmeister uber alles.

This fight we're waging against some serious messing around with the election can't stand hits. Eject Carl. Now.

And make Jim Angle work that much harder.

Big whoop. They didn't exactly accuse Kerry of anything, and frankly I don't see how anyone could have taken this seriously in the first place. It's obvious satire. "My cuticles looked great!? Come on.

This is much ado about nothing. Fox News fessed up...end of story.

Plus,the story obviously was some sort of joke...I don't think many people could have taken it seriously anyway...

As usual, I agree with Bill (which is the link section of my blog only has one blog in it). I anxiously await the detailed analysis being prepared.

I think an obvious difference between this story and the CBS story is criminal activity. The CBS forgery and the Washington office break-in are of Watergate proportions.

If there is some kind of train-wreck and Kerry wins the campaign (A big IF I know), the fun part will be impeaching him two months later.

I don't really remember which guy is cameron, but I did actually read the quotes.

They are fairly obviously an attempt at humor, and not that great of an attempt. They are not forgeries of quotes by any means.

I just don't understand how they got published. Like Bill said don't they have editors?

Frankly if anyone should be fired its the editor.

But if every journalist got fired over dumb things like this there'd be no professional journalists. Which might be good ;)

I'm actually encouraged by Fox's response. It was quick and they took the blame. Pretty responsible. Fox and MSNBC seem to be the only networks that pay any attention to blogs.

It was quick and they took the blame. Pretty responsible.

Almost miraculous by the poor standards of their competitors.

Fox did a good job by owning up to this quickly, but this just is not the time for such goof up. Cameron has done nothing more than give the pro Kerry bottom dwellers another talking point.

Cameron should go.

Well, it's unrealistic and it's not going to happen, Jim.

Stop to consider the fact that Rather will likely survive, at least for a graceful ease out.

I also think that the idea that Cameron should be fired for having joke notes mistakenly posted is bizarrely harsh, to be frank.

Personally, I think they got hacked.
If not, someone inside FOXNews played a game, and that head's gotta roll. Carl Cameron, if he holds to the reality I've found, pretty much has nothing to do with what's slapped up on the web in his name.

Frank? I thought you were Bill. :)

Oh, I think this was obviously satire and the liberal MSM might just benefit from this relatively harmless reminder that their candidate is not totally immune from smears of a far greater nature such as the DNCBS forgery and the NYT just happening to get the quote exactly wrong so much of the time.

Maybe if some major news outlet began to return the favor, the lib of the MSM would be a bit more careful themselves lest their darling Kerry be tarnished in the same manner they do not hesitate to use against Bush.

Not as though they got "imminent threat" wrong as did so many or forged documents to smear Kerry's nail polish. This is minor compared to the trash they have thrown and their whining about it is so typical. Tough! People/glass houses. Maybe a couple of far more serious "errors" as they continually make concerning Bush might cause them to actually check a few facts once in a while. Nah, we are not dealing with anything like honest and truthful journalism in MSM but at least maybe they will realize it can be done back in return for their own misdeeds. Then just issue an OOPS! And on to the next whopper.

I wish I could be outraged but considering the behavior of the MSM in acting as a propaganda branch of the DNC in this election, it's time to fight fire with fire and this could serve as a warning shot to stop with the lying about Bush and his supporters and even all these big, secret plans that do not exist. When dealing with dishonorable journalists, perhaps they can only be shown by example how it feels since they have no integrity for a moral compass.

I know exactly how something like this could happen. Journalists are a very cynical bunch. Every so often, one of them writes something that is meant as a joke or creates dummy text for a layout and throws something outrageous into it.

Journalists do this all the time, and their editors constantly lecture them not to do this because there's always a chance the joke will make it into the paper. Fox News is a case in point.

There was also an incident some years back in which a college paper accidentally called a university official the "director of butt-licking."

How did that happen? It has to do with pulled quotes. Quark XPress had a feature called a library. You would store common layout elements, like pulled quotes, headline and story combos, and other items in that library and stick them on the layout when you want to use them.

In smart newsrooms, the dummy items, as they're called, contain dummy copy with Latin words or lots of Xs. The rationale for this is twofold:

1. You're more likely to catch a layout full of Xxxx's or nonsense words if you're checking it before it goes out; and,

2. If nonsense words make it out, you look like an idiot, but at least you don't libel anybody.

At Fox News, the "director of buttlicking" copy got out, and somebody needs to remind the reporter not to use THE LIVE SYSTEM to write his jokes.

--|PW|--

I didn't even realize this happened.

I don't know that anyone should be fired over it, but Cameron should certainly be called on the carpet over it.

AT least Fox had the guts to post a retraction and an apology.

If you want examples of how the media handles Bush, read some of the pool reports that Wonkette has published.

Consider this bit, written by a New York Times reporter:

By the time your pool caught up with POTUS, the Bush Brothers -- Jeb in a khaki shirt, his brother in a light blue checked shirt -- were loading water and bags of ice into cars, leaning into the passenger seats to shake hands. Most of the conversation was out of the earshot of your poolers. But the lineup of cars looked a little like a Saturday afternoon line at Safeway to pickup groceries, with the governor of Florida and the POTUS as the bag-loaders -- only with more smiles. As a photo-op it was perfect -- the president was signing $2 billion of aid in the morning, then delivering the goods by lunchtime. You'd never know an election was eight weeks away.

Nobody has to make up stupid quotes for John Kerry. Just publish everything he says and the stupidity will follow naturally.

Two Points...

1) With regard to the Kerry-caught-cheating tempest in a teapot, an examinaiton of the tape indicates Dumbya unfolding paper at his podium at Sen. Kerry approaches his podium.

2) This thread's reaction to Carl Cameron's z-grade literary effort is instructive. Despite all of Faux News' protestations to the contrary, what you folk write indicates the degree to which Faux News is not a journalistic entity, at all, but, rather, an extension of the Right Wing/Republican Party propaganda machine.

Michael Dodson
Shawnee, Oklahoma

Around Chicago, one of the suburban papers once published a front-page picture captioned "A whole shitload of snow fell on Chicago yesterday". The caption writer thought someone would catch it and it wouldn't get published. He was wrong.

I believe the situation was similar with the Manchester Union-Leader (I may have just botched the name of the paper -- I'm lazy) when it published the story on one of Carter's speeches headlined "More Mush from the Wimp".

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