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« Bring the Funny | Main | Letter of the Day » September 28, 2004
Freepers Protest CBS (UPDATED)
Posted by Bill
On Sunday, a small crowd of Rathergate protestors gathered outside of CBS News Studios in Washington, DC. They were few in number. They were polite. They were angry. And most of them were in pajamas. As I rolled up on the scene, I was greeted by a mini-mini-media circus consisting of seven protestors, a handful of reporters and one US Senator that was possessed of a workmanlike attitude and a limo with a vanity plate. Senator Lindsey Graham (R - South Carolina) was finishing up a post-Face the Nation press conference for a small sample of national media representatives. The Rathergate protestors docilely stood to the side and observed the interview as I quietly ambled into the tiny press pool. CNN Reporter: "... of CIA plans to support pro-US candidates in Iraq. Are you aware of any such plans?" Graham: "I have not heard of any such plans. The best thing we can do for the Iraqi people is to allow democracy to take its course, to have as free and as fair elections as we can, to provide more security now, have a more robust security response to the increase in violence by the terrorists, and the CIA or any other group, should not be involved in trying to decide the fate of the Iraqi people. Let's let them decide their fate. And here's my prediction: we're gonna have an election in January; it will be imperfect. But it will be a giant step forward for the Mideast, and when Iraqi women get to go into the polls and vote freely, they're gonna vote for a government that gives their children a better future. They're gonna vote for a government that allows for participation from a wide range of demographics. That's what this war's really about: moderate forces having the power to control their own destiny, and saying no to the extremists." It was serious subject matter, but the gravity of the exchange was thrown off kilter because a man in bedclothes was sitting just a few feet behind the Senator as he answered a question that had been phrased in the female reporter's "Shatner-like, probing, knitted brow, on-camera" voice. Another reporter then attempted to ask Graham a question, but the senator suddenly started as if struck by a private thought (or a need to use the restroom) and quickly rushed back inside the CBS building with barely a quick word. The press conference was over. Some of my fellow members of the fourth estate had shot me wary glances, but undaunted, I cheerfully turned to my esteemed colleague at CNN and asked her why Senator Graham had given a press conference in front of the building. CNN Reporter: "Oh ... well, it was just ... a quick conference after his appearance on Face the Nation." INDC: "Oh. So it had nothing to do with Rathergate, or these protestors?" CNN Reporter: "Who ... them? (Grimaces, smiles scornfully) No."
Yes, "them." Truth be told, I was somewhat confused by her scorn, given my previous experience with reporters and protests. You see, reporters love protests, even tiny protests. For example, I've been to several anti-war or pro-civil rights protests where the ratio of reporters to civil protestors and/or barking-mad declared Marxists with drums, hash and puppets was nearly one-to-one; how was this situation clearly different? Was it because the Freepers were quiet? Was it because they're right-wingers? Few in number? Was it ... the pajamas? As an aside, just between you and me, I've met and/or dealt with several TV reporters at DC events, and I've come to embrace some sweeping generalizations about the breed. The on-air talents that I've met are overconfident, patronizing, disturbingly opinionated, situationally obsequious, unrepentantly aggressive little pirahnas that could sorely use a strong sedative and some Eastern philosophy in their lives ... and perhaps an occasional tasering. It may be a job requirement, but for them, the rule is to barge into the middle of another interviewer's conversation with a subject and blithely behave as if they and their target are the only people in the scrum. This CNN reporter kept up her characteristic end of the bargain as I tried to grab a few precious seconds with Bob Schieffer, but what was particularly infuriating about this case of reporter self-absorption was that she wasn't seeking his comment for news, rather rudely ripping his attention away from my interview in a bid to grossly grab a moment of off-camera, sycophantic groupie time with the superstar anchor. I was actually somewhat surprised that she didn't just kneel down right there in the street and ... kiss his ring. My negative impression of TV anchors is a well-studied conclusion. That being said, Schieffer was very gracious, competent, and nice. Anyhow, back to those Freepers ...
Meet Kevin Martin, an active DC Free Republic poster that's worked in "independent public affairs" for 10 years. INDC: "Why are you out here today?" Martin: "We're out here because ... there was a criminal bias that was shown reporting these documents, and as a veteran myself and somebody who's worked with documents, something criminal has gone on. You've taken military records ... and basically forged something in the name of a dead man ... If it hadn't been for the persistence of his family standing up and saying, 'no, he didn't say that,' Dan Rather would have gotten away with telling a lie. And for him to come on TV and apologize for reporting the story, and not apologize to the family, it's wrong. He doesn't have to apologize to the President, the President's a public figure ... but for Dan Rather to take a dead man's words and twist them, that's wrong." INDC: "Ok. If Dan Rather offered an apology to the family, would you be satisfied?" Martin: "No, I think Dan Rather has to go. I think that over the years, he's shown his bias. He's a devout left-winger, a Democrat ... and he does what he does, and he just basically does his thing." To be fair to Dan Rather, Mr. Martin lacked specificity in his complaint; removal of all "left-wing" newsies would leave the profession with FOX News and ... John Stossel. His larger point about Rather's tradition of overt bias was relatively clear, however.
Dan Rather = Nixon? To some, it's a sweet, sweet irony.
I also spoke with Kristinn Taylor, co-leader of the DC Chapter of Free Republic. INDC: "What will satisfy you as an end to this entire affair?" Taylor: "I'll tell you. CBS News needs to clean house like the New York Times did with the Jayson Blair scandal. Andrew Heyward, the President of CBS News, needs to go; he was involved in approving this story. Dan Rather was involved with the production of this story, he wasn't just reading prompts; he needs to go. And Mary Mapes, who produced this thing, she definitely needs to go. They all need to go, and that's just step one. Then they need to reorganize how they vet stories to prevent something like this from happening again." INDC: "How often are you out here?" Taylor: "This is our second time." INDC: "And how long do you plan ..." Taylor: "We have lives, so it's not like we can come out here every day. Nobody pays us, nobody tells us to come out at a certain time, we do it on our own volition. We'll be back until this thing is resolved to our satisfaction, but we'll do it on our own schedule." INDC: "Ok. Another thing ... I'll be honest with you guys, I sometimes like Free Republic, I occasionally find things of interest on the (site), but I also think that Free Republic's ... strong brand of partisanship undermines your ability to get things out into the public debate because some people dismiss you as far to the right. What do you have to say to that sentiment?" Taylor: "We are regularly ranked as one of the top three political web sites, I should say we have been ranked, right up there with johnkerry.com and georgewbush.com, so people read us. Our Alexa ratings run rings around moveon.org, democratic underground, people on our side at lucianne.com. We're number one as far as political bulletin boards and discussion sites. We have no connection to the Republican Party, I've never met Karl Rove, nobody tells us what to do here, we're on our own." "As far as credibility and people taking us seriously, I don't think it's our partisanship that would hurt us, it's more that we're a bulletin board that's politically incorrect, so people feel free to say things that politicians won't say. So that may make people a little reluctant to draw the distinction between the owner of Free Republic, Jim Robinson, and what his guidelines are, and what our guidleines are as a chapter respresenting Free Republic in DC. We're pretty mainstream conservatives." "We have a lot of people on Free Republic that don't like the Islamic religion. On the other hand, we work with Muslims; we worked with Muslims through the build-up to the Iraq War and into it. Muslims who reject terrorism, who want to live in peace and freedom. So that's our credibility. Individual posters don't necessarily represent what Free Republic is about within certain boundaries. We don't tolerate racists, but people are free to criticize Islam. They were free to criticize the Catholic Church when they were going through the big scandal with the priests ... but it's the same thing here; the church needed to clean house, CBS needs to clean house. We're anti-corruption."
It was an interesting scene. I don't see eye-to-eye with many Free Republic posters, a some of them strike me as a milder conspiratorial mirrors to the left's more virulent DU moonbats, and the more mainstream posters are certainly a vastly different species than the typical members of the liberal media establishment, but these protestors aquitted themselves well by any standard, and were more than reasonable and relevant enough to merit questions from the gathered media personnel, instead of the open scorn that was revealed to me by one correspondent. Just because someone is openly partisan, doesn't necessarily make them wrong. Or right. It was a microcosm of the greater media narrative. And these gents happened to be fighting the good fight. UPDATE: A Freeper after-action report can be found here. It features a brief encounter with Ted Kennedy ... Oh, man ... Thanks to pictured Freeper Bill F, who assures me that his shoes were, in fact, "cheap imitations of hush puppies," and adds: As to those who think that Free Republic is far to the right, I can only say that most FReepers are unapologetic Reaganites. Reagan carried 93 states out of 100 in two presidential elections. Posted by Bill at September 28, 2004 11:43 AM | TrackBack (7) CommentsProtesters are only taken seriously when they are burning American flags. Posted by: Iraqi Intelligence at September 28, 2004 12:06 PM Wheee...Looks like fun! Posted by: mr lawson at September 28, 2004 12:23 PM Excellent job Bill! I suspected when we saw the interview yesterday that there was more. I hate racism. That's why I don't read freep regularly, just when someone links to it. I realize that it isn't about that, but enough creeps in through the cracks to make it uncomfortable. Also, I can concoct enough conspiracy theories on my own that I don't need to read other ones (as you are no doubt aware). Having said all that, I'm glad that some people are out there in front of CBS. I wish I lived close enough to join them (with maybe a "I'm not a Freeper" sign around my neck). Again, very nice report. Posted by: Thad O at September 28, 2004 12:30 PM A dude named Kristinn? I would have had that legally changed quickly. Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer at September 28, 2004 12:41 PM Thanks Thad. I didn't want to be too hard on the Freepers, and these were certainly well-spoken, stand-up guys, but the site in general has the problems inherent to any public, anonymous forum that centers around political ideology. There's some good, some bad. It's not my cup of tea, but their more mainstream views are probably more relevant than many of the left-wing counterpart forums (look at dKos), and these perfectly nice protestors deserved better than the snide scorn of the reporter. I was glad they were out there. Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 28, 2004 12:42 PM Perhaps the reporter was displaying open scorn more for the size of the protest than for its subject matter. There were, what, all of 7 or 8 people there? The only way an anti-war protest outside of San Francisco gets covered is if it numbers in the tens of thousands. And even that isn't always enough. The one anti-war protest I have ever attended was March 20th in NYC, with between 50,000 and 100,000 participating, and there was no media coverage whatsoever of that. Actually, after my experience with that one protest, I'm kind of glad they don't get covered... reasoned, logical arguments are not in abundance at those events. That said, the protesters themselves don't feel that way, and view the lack of media coverage as bias against them. I definitely won't disagree with you about the arrogance, condescension, etc of big media reporters, but I still don't see any kind of open, calculated, agenda-driven bias in failing to cover a ten-person protest about an issue that's hardly life-and-death... like, say, war tends to be. Posted by: Walter Sobchak at September 28, 2004 01:14 PM I was watching either Scarborough or Hardball a couple night ago and they had Joe Trippi on to talk about blogs. He thinks the left and the right are essentially tied when it comes to blogs because the right is more organized but the left has more "passion". As an aside FR and DU are not blogs they are forums its similar but with very important distincitions. I think Trippi is wrong there are plenty of passionate right wingers they just have less people who go around and yell in people's faces. I think, in a roundabout way, this goes a long way to explain the scorn from this news person. If your not some crazy screaming and bitching and moaning , i.e. from their viewpoint passionate, protestor then you don't have real grievance or you'd be crying your eyes out. I hate to mention this but it kinda goes along with the Rush limbaugh theory that liberals pay attention to feelings and conservatives pay attention to logic. I'm not really a proponenet of this theory since I have heard people say the same thing about women and I don't think its a significant enough correlation to apply willy nilly. But I do think there are alot of people (whatever their affiliations) who prefer to pay attention only to drama and not do much thinking. And if its not dramatic then its not worth their consideration. There seems to be a fundamental difference in the evaluation of such things. And the two camps seem to have fairly significant trends towards opposing sides of the two different views. Although ,as bill points out, there is a fair share of crazies at FR I think their appeal to irrationality is taken less seriously. Posted by: ctob at September 28, 2004 01:15 PM Walter - My treatment may have been unclear. I'm not bothered by the media's failure to specifically cover a protest that small, though if you visit my link to my coverage of the Supreme Court protest, you'll see that they DO cover small protests ... but I am bothered by the fact that the reporters that were there completely ignored the protetors (while I was there) and the one reporter showed them scorn. I'm a sensitive observer of scorn, and I feel relatively confident that her derision was focused on the content, nature, appearance and subject matter of the protest, perhaps in conjunction with but not focused on the gathering's size. Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 28, 2004 01:25 PM In all seriousness, it might be interesting to do a photo blog on the reporters themselves. I recall from the ANSWER protests the reporter condiscendingly looking at the pro-war Iraqi. Most of us have not had the experience you've had with these arrogant, self-important people. I think it would be a very interesting study. My two cents. Thanks for a good post. Posted by: Gordon at September 28, 2004 02:01 PM Dan Rather or Kent Brockman? Posted by: Occams Tweezer at September 28, 2004 02:48 PM Here's a perfect example of the media's PC bias: which is worse, a few pedophile priests or a few thousand imams exhorting jihadis to kill innocent people in suicide bombings? Now, which religion's quirks is seen as fair game by Hollywood and TV media, and for which is it considered gauche to even intimate an association with encouraging terrorism? If you see a Catholic priest in a movie, it's practically a given he's probably a pedophile ("Mystic River"), but can you even think of even ONE movie where a Muslim imam is encouraging terrorism? Never mind that it happens every day in real life. And even as I now offer the oblgatory allowance that most Muslim imams are good, decent peace-loving people, I am struck by the fact I have never heard anyone give such a qualifier for Catholic priests when criticizng them. Posted by: TallDave at September 28, 2004 03:09 PM Wow, you really picked a unique thread to go off on there, TallDave ... Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 28, 2004 03:10 PM Bill, One the most grating term I hear referring to TV Reporters is "on-air talent". I notice that other people that work "on-air" are usually called performers or actors. At least these terms actually decribe the "talent" that these people have. Does the news business refer to the cameramen and others as "off-air" talent? Heck, everyone has a "talent". I think I'm gonna change my business card title to "Business Reengineering Talent" Posted by: JFH at September 28, 2004 05:13 PM I was certainly using the term "talent" in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 28, 2004 05:25 PM Still, the fact that THEY use those terms to refer to themselves does reinforce your long list of adjectives to describe them... OT, you DO realize you're up against Wonkette as the best "Inside the Beltway blog" in the WaPo survey (see IMAO for link). You had better beat her (Whether you win the category or not)! Posted by: JFH at September 28, 2004 05:32 PM Well, I read your interview with the protestor, and that was the road I thought HE was headed down, and when he didn't go there I thought someone should as it seemed like rich material for a rant. Just goes to show how the Left is perfectly willing to demonize the relatively harmless (Republicans, Catholic priests) but considers it "insensitive" to demonize the truly evil (terrorists, radical Muslims). Posted by: TallDave at September 28, 2004 07:15 PM Bill, I'm one of the FReepers who was out there. It was a pleasure meeting you. You write very well and are clearly quite perceptive. As to those who think that Free Republic is far to the right, I can only say that most FReepers are unapologetic Reaganites. Reagan carried 93 states out of 100 in two presidential elections. That's mainstream. (Those who claim that conservatives are "out of the mainstream" would say, and did say, that Reagan is "out of the mainstream." Maybe the liberal Democrats who only carried 7 states in 1980 and 1984 were the ones who were "out of the mainstream.") One slight correction: those were not Hush Puppies, they were cheap imitations of Hush Puppies. Keep up the good work! BillF Posted by: BillF at September 29, 2004 01:42 AM Bill, Forgot to add that you can read our After-Action Report including photos and discussion of a brief encounter with Ted Kennedy here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227959/posts My photos and a couple sound files from the encounter with Kennedy are here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227959/posts?page=105#105 Posted by: BillF at September 29, 2004 01:53 AM Thanks, glad you have a sense of humor. Linked the after action report. Your quote about Reaganites had been garbled on my recorder. Posted by: Bill from INDC at September 29, 2004 07:28 AM Whoa! Where did the other 50 states come from? This is news to me! Posted by: Darmok at September 29, 2004 10:49 AM I had previously posted: "Reagan carried 93 states out of 100 in two presidential elections." Darmok replied: "Whoa! Where did the other 50 states come from? This is news to me!" Reagan carried 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984. Sum the two numbers to get 93 states out of a possible 100 states in TWO presidential elections. Posted by: BillF at September 29, 2004 11:36 AM Darmok, I see that Bill of indcjournal left out the final phrase "in two presidential elections" in quoting me on the addendum to the body of the story. You can see my exact language above. Regards. Posted by: BillF at September 29, 2004 11:58 AM Fixed. Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at September 29, 2004 11:59 AM Aha. That clears things up for me. Posted by: Darmok at September 29, 2004 01:16 PM I hate racism, too, like Thad O! And that guy with the pajamas, laptop and sign that said "What's the font pitch, Kenneth?" looked mighty suspicious to me! I mean, does the name "Kenneth" indicate some kind of racist statement? It's enough to make you wonder! Also, I'm a freeper, too, so does that automatically make me a racist?! I certainly hope not! Then I would have to hate myself! Yikes! 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