I knew the truth would come out sooner or later.

As always, thank you very much Bill. Of course, you're still a mean SOB.

Geez, Karl, tell the neighborhood, why don'tcha!

Now we can't do the same thing to Brokaw and Jennings.

Secret's out. Damnit!

And you all think this is a joke. It's for real: www.democrats.org/news/200409210001.html

In the immortal words of Mr. Paul Anka
Rove slices like a f***ing hammer.

All posts with the word "hot" in them must also include a pic, preferably hot. I'm so disappointed.

Is this blog all-Rathergate all-the-time or what? Rather is finished. CBS "news" is damaged goods. Move on.

That's funny. That's almost as funny as:

Rove is known for his political tactics when he was a protege of Donald Segretti, convicted Watergate conspirator. In 1970, he sneaked into the campaign office of Illinois Democrat Alan Dixon and stole some letterhead. He printed fliers on the letterhead promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing" and distributed the fliers at rock concerts and homeless shelters. Admitting to the incident much later, Rove said, "I was nineteen and I got involved in a political prank." [1] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/rove072399.htm) [2] (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010305&c=2&s=dubose) [3] (http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/2/reich-r.html)

After dropping out of the University of Utah in 1971, Karl Rove started his political career as the executive director of the College Republican National Committee. He held this position until 1972 when he became the National Chairman of the College Republicans (1973-1974). As chairman, Rove had access to many powerful politicians and government officials during the Watergate scandal, including then CIA director George H. W. Bush. For the next few years, he worked in various Republican circles and assisted George H. W. Bush's 1980 presidential campaign. Rove's greatest claim to fame at the time was that he had introduced Bush to Lee Atwater.

In 1993, according to the New York Times, John Ashcroft's campaign paid Karl Rove & Co. over $300,000 to aid his Senate race. In 1999, the George W. Bush campaign effort paid Karl Rove & Co. $2.5 million for July through December. According to Rove, "About 30 percent of that is postage."

In early 2000, during the Republican primary, Senator John McCain led George W. Bush in the race for the Republican presidential nomination and won several state primaries. A push poll was allegedly launched against McCain: telemarketers were allegedly hired to call voters in South Carolina, claiming that McCain was mentally unstable due to torture he had endured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, and that he had fathered an illegitimate child with a black woman. These allegations had no basis in fact. A reporter, Wayne Slater, suggested in print that Rove might be behind the whisper campaign. Rove denied any involvement. McCain's support subsequently dwindled, and Bush won the nomination. (There were other factors in that primary contest as well, including a long exchange of negative television advertisements between the two candidates.)

It seems this 'prankser' might be entertaining in a frat party, sure, but do you want him advising the leader of the freeworld in times of crisis?!

Rather's partisanship makde him jump the gun without verifying the story is bad journalism, but within his ideology, he didn't MEAN to mislead. DELIBERATE misleading is far more dangerous for a nation, whose press should function as a watchdog to keep the government accountible, as the founding fathers hoped with the freedom of the press ammendment, which incidentally doesn't exist in England. (Therefore, a news outlet their can be sued for libel even if the story is true- see gregpalast.com)

In the case of Fox, organicconsumers.org/rbgh/akre022603 describes how Fox had, in court, admitted they threatened then fired two reporters for not deliberately airing a story which was known to be false, in order to protect a sponsor, Monsanto, from charges of using genetically engineered growth hormone in milk. The court, ruling on an appeal, had in effect stated that there is nothing technically illegal about distorting facts. That means, by extention, to all the liberals out there, that no one in the Bush administration can be prosecuted for misleading us with bogus claims such Uranium cake from Niger, etc.

If he can destroy his enemies the way you think he can, then hell yes. He's like conan, man, "... and hear the lamentation of their weeemen".

ed:
We don't know what is going through rather's head actually. There currently three schools of thought/speculation: insane, negligent, and collusion.

Seems to be insanity is gaining in popularity.

Alot of MSM guys defintely go with the negligent as you do. I would like to believe the negligent angle. But there are too many glaring inconsistencies for the believe that anymore. I mean completely obvious, basic fact checking was not done. I mean you don't even need a GED and certainly don't need a journalism degree( not much difference there ) to figure out you should call Staudt as one of your first moves since he is mentioned by name in the memos.

You say he didn't mean to mislead, but the number and astoundingly basic nature of some of the mistakes goes beyond carelessness and bad judgement imho. I can't honestly tell you your wrong. But I can tell as far as I'm concerned something stinks about all this.

Oh yeah and as someone who is only 5 and half feet tall I say we need more growth hormone in our milk. Especially the genetically engineered kind. I hear they genetically engineered it to be extra tasty and maintained the exact reactive moeities of the protein molecule. Damn those engineers are smart. Yay tasty hormones!

"...and then the Saucer Overlords beamed me up to the third moon of Nezzon, where I was ordered by Karl Rove to gnarfle the gathock! He said it, he really said it, he said, 'I order you to gnarfle the gathock!' I was beside myself and begged the Saucer Overlords to whisk me back to Indymedia where I could rest in assured bliss with the Democratic Party Interns in Teresa's basement. Anonymously, you know, anonymously...and then, just when I thought it couldn't be any more clear as to who was actually responsible for this mess, Karl Rove zapped himself into the basement and commanded us all to cower before him as he..."

To be continued...

Ed:

"Look! Jennifer Lopez! Unaturally intimate with Mr. T!"

ed:

One major difference between Rather and Rove: It's an indisputable FACT that Rather bolstered a hit piece on GWB with memos roundly proven to be forgeries. Rather's motives for doing so, I suppose, are subject to debate (*rolling eyes*), but it's a FACT that he did it. There is no substantive evidence that Rove hired telemarketers to smear John McCain (who I supported in 2000, BTW). I think it's interesting that you try and counter Rather's obvious transgressions with unsubstantiated gossip about Karl Rove.

We Republicans have our whacko fringe groups just like you Democrats. Any one of them could have hired telemarketers to smear McCain. Where's your proof it was Rove?

Oh, and Joe Wilson's bullshit about Saddam not really trying to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger was exposed months ago. http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2004/0719.asp

Where were you?

That's all you've got? Innendo about Karl Rove and some bullshit story about milk?

SMG in DC -

Take your own advice. Move on.

Quoting Bill from INDC above:

"SMG in DC -

Take your own advice. Move on."

And take Ed with you.

Ed,

"It seems this 'prankser' might be entertaining in a frat party, sure, but do you want him advising the leader of the freeworld in times of crisis?!"

Two words, "Damn straight!"

He knows how people work and he knows how to play that to the best advantage. If that isn't valuable leadership skills, I don't know what is.