Another crack in the facade - CBS' "expert" dissed by authorities

"If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none," Rather insisted.

He produced a man named Marcel Matley as the document vetter.

But Matley is primarily a handwriting expert whose expertise in document evaluation has been challenged by the head of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/28387.htm

Fox just reported that the Pentagon is claiming the Bush TANG memos are "fakes".

(NOTE: I am not making the offer, those at the websites listed are.)

Just passing this on.

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8791

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$10,000 REWARD if you can recreate CBS Forged Documents using 1972 technology.

Well, another website has raised the Gauntlet on this:

From:
http://defeatjohnjohn.com/pageone.htm

The $10,000 Question
This is incredible. Even know that we know for a fact that the documents are forged, that no typewriter existed that could have made those raised tiny "th"s (let alone the specific proportionally spaced fonts, 13pt default line spacing, etc.), even when the Associated Press and other news outlets are (finally) running stories about the forgeries, CBS is standing by their lies. This is getting beyond aggravating to being truly scary. ("We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia." - 1984)

Dan Rather gave a statement an hour ago in which he said "I know that this story is true" and that "the documents are authentic; we wouldn't have gone to air if they would not have been." Asked about whether CBS would consider a retraction, Rather said it was "not even discussed, nor should it be" and blamed the controversy only on "those who don't like the story." CBS issued a statement shortly afterwards that insisted they used "independent handwriting and forensic document experts" (though refusing to say who, which is odd since no network or paper has been able to find a single document expert even willing to allow for the possibility that these documents are genuine), and that they're not even going to look into it, arrogantly stating "no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned."

So, for anyone still willing to consider that these documents are anything other than cheap, childish forgeries, I am offering $10,000 right now to anyone who can find for me a typewriter from 1972 that could have reasonably made those documents. Payment will be made in the form of a cashiers check to the first individual who can do this. The typewriter must be using the same proportionally spaced font as the CBS documents, the same curly-quotation marks, the same impossible superscripted "th"s, the same 13-point line spacing, and create a document that looks as much (or more) like the alleged forgeries than does a Microsoft Word document with default fonts and margins.

If you think you can do this, email defeatjohnjohn@hotmail.com and collect your reward. And yes, I am serious.

Absolutely Brilliant.....

This will blow Blather out of the water.... Look for legs on this, and why can't CBS, a huge company find some old typewruter to recreate this...

Keep up the heat.

This site has raised about $17,600 in pledges thus far, and makes some good points regarding the memos.

Regards,
Joe

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Where are the original documents?

CBS say they only have copies.

Where are the originals.

Before I typed in the US Army I had never seen September abbreviated "Sep," but there was no deviation allowed. In these memos the dates are not only deviations from the military style, they are also inconsistent... Likewise the abbreviations for the ranks of Bush and Killian... Under the colonel's name, where it says "Commander," the correct style would say "Commanding." The colonel is alleged to be getting heat from General S., who retired a year earlier, and so forth. There are plenty of items in the content to prove they are forged, without the added weight of the million dollar typewriter.

don't know if this has been discussed but you know when you are dealing with Rathers of the world you need overwhelming proof to get them to admit to their mistakes...just glad to see the Mainstream Media is all over it for once.....

many people have noted one of the greater unanswered questions is how did anyone get their hands on these supposed memos from the personal files of a dead man, who didn't type according to his wife nor keep files at home...

at another blog, someone noted why were these memos apparently photocopied so many times if they were personal documents, if not to hide their age...

then I remembered that I worked a summer in a law office in 1974, we didn't have a photocopier, they were still too expensive for small businesses, we used to make carbon copies in triplicate of every memo, letter and legal document, it was a royal pain in the ass....and you had to use white out to correct errors on all the copies......I can't imagine the Guard office being much more sophisticated in the same time period...

so if there were any carbon copies, where are they? and if they exist, they would be either be real messy or very faded......did the Guard office even have a photocopier in that time period?

just a thought.....

1. F.I.S. = Fighter Interceptor Squadron. Even active duty squadrons did not have the IBM Selectric in the early 70's. If anyone had one, it was the Wing Commander's secretary (usually a GS-6). Squadron Commander: think Lt.Col. Wing Commander: Think Colonel.
2. Format issues: One document shows the date written as 70JUL10. That format was not then used. I believe that format is tied to computer-era documents.
3. The "centering" issue: The format was "flush left" for all lines.
4. Use of NLT. It would have been considered redundant to state both the words and the acronym.
5. Lt. Colonels rarely if ever did their own typing.

Source: My own memory. I was USAF active duty for just under 24 years (retired as Major 1985).

They need to find out the correct font. Because the 4 has foot for Press Roman but it has a descending Capital J for Aldine Roman (the latest candidate by the left). Both of these are in the May 4 memo. I am working on a picture that I will e-mail to Bill to show this.

Yeah, I volunteered anoth $1000 to the "Reproduce The Fake Memos with a Typewriter" fund. I'm good for if it happens, but it ain't gonna happen.

Big, Big Odd/Even Problem

I have not used an IBM Selectric (or earilier model typewriter) for many, many years.

As I recall, the only way to center text (ie for a header) would be to set a stop at the center of the page. Then count the number of characters in the header line, divide by two and then back space by that number.

There is a big, big problem for the forgeries however!! If some of the lines in the header have an odd number of characters, and other lines in the header have an even number of characters, then the two lines of the header will not be exactly centered relative to each other. In other words, the center of one line will be half a character off from the center of the other line of text. Of course WORD can center the two lines of text perfectly!

I do believe that the headers in the two documents with headers have ann odd and an even number of characters. If this is true, and if all lines of the headers are perfectly centered, then I believe that this proves that a simple typewriter could not have been used to generate the headers. According to my counting, the three rows of the header have 43, 15, and 20 characters respectively.

In my opinion, the most compelling argument that the documents are forgeries are the headers of the 5/4/72 letter and the 8/1/72 letter. Both headers line up perfectly with WORD, but just as significantly, both header line up perfectly with each other (even though they were typed months apart).

Some have suggested that the documents might have been produced on a super fancy (ie expensive) machine such as the IBM Selectric Composer. Surely, the Lt. Colonel would not be typing memos to himself on such an expensive machine in the Texas Air National Guard!!!! But suppose for a minute that he did. Does anyone know how hard it would have been (ie how many individual steps would have been required) to center the 3 lines of the header in the 5/4/72 letter using the IBM Selectric Composer. What would the probablity that the lines would be centered EXACTLY the same when another document was typed several months later.

Ernie Page

In my opinion, Kinkos is clearly liable. They electronically transmitted documents to CBS that contained false statements, which Kinkos knew or should have known to be untrue, and which were made with the intent to injure, disgrace, and defame Bush, to bring him into public discredit, and to cause the public to hold him in contempt and ridicule.

Kinkos was negligent and failed to use that degree of care, diligence and skill that is their legal duty to use in order to protect one from injury.