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September 09, 2004
A POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO STRESS

Posted by Bill

Via Allah, please examine Dr. Bouffard's credentials based on this pdf document (scroll down to the bottom entry on page 8).

He's no joke, people; probably one of the two most qualified "old type" experts that CBS should have contacted to verify the veracity of the documents.

UPDATE: It's actually Pacetown that tracked down Dr. Bouffard's credentials. You should read the rest of his analysis as well.

Posted by Bill at September 9, 2004 04:35 PM | TrackBack (7)

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Bill -- I should mention that I got that link from SpacetownUSA. He deserves credit for it, not me. In my haste to e-mail you, I neglected to mention it.

Posted by: Allah at September 9, 2004 04:37 PM

Forget the typeface (as I have been saying to bloggers wherever I can find them). The memo is simply not written the way U.S. Army personnel would express themselves in that era. "CYA" in a memo? The use of conjunctions in writing was frowned on in schools during the 1940's and '50's, when these officers were educated. It's just too casual -- "not happy today"?

Posted by: Ronald at September 9, 2004 04:58 PM

I agree Ronald, I noticed that the language was "off." For example, when it says "his dad?"

"Dad?"

But that's not the kind of proof that will be accepted by anyone in the media.

Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at September 9, 2004 05:02 PM

Bill, in your first sentence you meant "Bouffard", not Boullard, I believe.

Posted by: Bill in CO at September 9, 2004 05:18 PM

Got it, thanks.

Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at September 9, 2004 05:26 PM

Good to see you up and running again Bill. Good stuff.

Posted by: dario at September 9, 2004 05:27 PM

INDCent Bill -- putting the 'struct' back into 'deconstruction'.

Or something like that.

Well done, and so glad to see you back!

Posted by: willow at September 9, 2004 05:38 PM

I knew it would come to this. Or something like this anyways. You fascist wingnuts never let up.

For what it is worth, the typewriter in question was developed and sold to clients in 1941, far well enough in advance for the military to use it in 1972.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

God you reepers are so desperate. Tick, tock, only a few months and we pull the plug.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 9, 2004 05:48 PM

Minor problem, CC: that typewriter didn't use 12-point Times New Roman (a font that didn't exist then) and it certainly didn't use Microsoft Word's exact default margins or spacing rules. The documents in question do. End of line, Dillinger...

Posted by: Ian S. at September 9, 2004 05:52 PM

You wingnuts are so full of shit. You kooks are being DEBUNKED:

http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/001216.html

YOu digital brownshirts need to get your shit together. I smell SLANDER lawsuites to you and your right-wing blogger pals!

Posted by: Right Wing Lies at September 9, 2004 05:55 PM

Um, "Right Wing Lies", perhaps you should read my post before you post something that does not address the points made by a forensics expert.

Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at September 9, 2004 06:02 PM

Fox News just took it and ran with it. I do believe it'll be all over the MSM now...

Posted by: Bush Wins at September 9, 2004 06:58 PM

Don't sweat this Right Wing Lies guy, Bill. You did your homework, contacted an expert in the field, Solidified your argument and reported it. It doesnt get any better than that.

Good to have you back.

Posted by: Val Prieto at September 9, 2004 06:59 PM

Bill, the moonbats smelled blood and you've denied them their feast. Now they're hungry and circling. (They were always rabid and angry)

With these various documents re-created by several bloggers using the default tabs and margins in MS/Word, they're so clearly forgeries it boggles the mind. I'd say it was laughable except it's really not funny.

Imagine presenting similar evidence on John Kerry and how that would play. First you'd have to find a media outlet willing to run anti-Kerry *anything*. The moment it came out you'd be dodging bullets from Kerry's legal team. From the first to the last it'd somehow be blamed directly on Rove if not Bush himself. And in the end Kerry would stand and beat his breast about how he was wronged and that would be the lede the media would cover.

Compare and contrast the swiftboat story treatment - 254 guys - to how these random 'unsourced' documents were covered. Media bias? It's gone far beyond that. I'm beginning to question the term "media" at this point. Ministry of Lefty Propaganda is somewhat closer to the truth in recent weeks.

Posted by: Bill in CO at September 9, 2004 07:04 PM

Bill, Hugh Hewitt just gave you an on-air plug. Way to go, bubba!

Posted by: ccwbass at September 9, 2004 07:07 PM

And this from Killian's son:

Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said one of the memos, signed by his father, appeared legitimate. But he doubted his father would have written another, unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.

"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "The only thing that can happen when you keep secret files like that are bad things. ... No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

News reports have said the memos, first obtained by CBS's "60 Minutes II," were found in Jerry Killian's personal records. Gary Killian said his father wasn't in the habit of bringing his work home with him, and that the documents didn't come from the family.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/9622425.htm?1c

Posted by: MAC at September 9, 2004 07:25 PM

YOu digital brownshirts need to get your shit together. I smell SLANDER lawsuites to you and your right-wing blogger pals!

Odd, the one acting like a brownshirt (digitally, even, over this vast net) would be you. With your attempts to browbeat and threaten people into silence.

Posted by: Patrick Chester at September 9, 2004 09:14 PM

oh someone is a little upset Bill took away his lollypop.

Posted by: Jane at September 9, 2004 10:05 PM

Some of them are now claiming it was Karl Rove who perpetrated the fraud on CBS to make them look bad. LOL I can't wait to hear the next story, they're getting better all the time.

Posted by: StinKerr at September 9, 2004 10:07 PM

Hah, I've heard that too StinKerr. It may be so (although even I don't think Rove is that Machiavllian), but that just shows how irresponsible CBS was in allowing themselves to be so easily and willfully deceived.

Had they done their homework, they may have saved some shred of integrity--instead, they allowed their thinly veiled hatred of Bush become their downfall. There must be some Greek Mythological comparison here somewhere...

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