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« Remember, Kids ... | Main | Hrmmm » August 10, 2004
Learning About Racial Slurs
(THIS POST DEMANDS A STATEMENT FROM ATRIOS) Posted by Bill
I was initially scandalized that Oliver would even suggest the possibility that my Kool-Aid homage was a racial slur ... but then, after surfing around his link to something called the "Racial Slur Database," I became grateful for his guidance. For little did I realize ... I've been employing the subtle language of racism and oppression. I feel shame. For example, according to the "Racial Slur Database," did you know that the following words were racial slurs?
Thankfully, a highly-publicized white-collar affirmative action program is under sail.
I smell an idea for a new charity ... let's get these folks the good stuff.
Reagan!
This whole time, Andy Sullivan was a gold-digger. Who knew?
In related news, it's reported that white folks still dominate baking.
Um, ok, if you say so, "Racial Slur Database" ... but now how exactly am I supposed to crack wise about the handicapped?
Au contraire, my friend: "ja-BRO-ne." In related news, it's reported that the Rock is of Asian descent ... and he's always "cookin'."
That's not a racial slur, that's a Department of Homeland Security term ...
How does one say "Bring ... it .... on!" in Tagolog?
Or, whites that act black in movies.
I not sure if I buy into the idea that the Sleestaks were black, but those guys sure scared the crap out of me when I was a kid ...
"Apportez-le dessus!" (?)
I don't think that this fulfills the intent of the Racial Slur Database, but I'm actually adding this one to my vocabulary ...
Let go of the hate, Oliver. Let go of the hate. Posted by Bill at August 10, 2004 01:51 AM | TrackBack (7) CommentsFunny, black jellybeans are my favorite! Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at August 10, 2004 10:32 AM You might want to google "licorice lowers testosterone." Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 10:37 AM Hypersensitivity: check. Ladies 'n' gents, meet Oliver Wills, the full featured Liberal. Nice catch, Bill. He's got no place to hide sporting that Redskins shirt. Wonder how long before it mysteriously disappears from his site? Posted by: keggin at August 10, 2004 11:10 AM It's Michael Dennis's catch, actually. I wonder - when will Atrios comment on the t-shirt? Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 11:12 AM Sleestax? Geez, this database can't even spell right. Bill, you can be forgiven for your misspelling of "Sleestaks" as I think the soldier that named them probably misspelled his commander's name. (I can't EVEN believe I remember that) Posted by: JFH at August 10, 2004 11:21 AM What misspelling? Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 11:26 AM The bear picture is adorable. Am I a racist? Posted by: babs at August 10, 2004 11:37 AM No, you just have great taste. "Educated and rich?" Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 11:39 AM Bill, you are certainly intrepid. That's not a slur, is it? Posted by: michele at August 10, 2004 11:49 AM Search results for intrepid: Nothing found, whatsoever. Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 11:50 AM See, this is why even though I'm a liberal, I hate political correctness and racial paranoia. It's almost impossibly to make any joke without offending someone, by those standards. That said, I think you guys should consider that most of those words from the "racial slurs database" probably would represent real insults if used in the right context. Of course, none of that context is present here, so I definitely think Oliver needs to take a great big chill pill. And Atrios on Glenn Reynolds too, although I'm completely disgusted with Glenn for supporting Michelle Malkin's book. One other thing to think about: Bill was making fun of Oliver, no matter how you look at it, and obviously someone who's being insulted in an effective way will want to respond, and I'm sure that's all Oliver was doing. So I think his accusations should be taken with a large helping of salt; I very much doubt he really thinks the Kool-Aid thing was intended to be racist. Posted by: Walter Sobchak at August 10, 2004 12:09 PM You are analysing this way more seriously than I am ... Except for the Atrios part. He's an asshole. By the way - have you read Michelle Malkin's book? Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 12:13 PM By the way - have you read Michelle Malkin's book? No, and I know what you're going to say- I should read it before I criticize it. You may have a point, but first I'll respond with a question that might help you illustrate the way I feel about Michelle and her book: have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet? Posted by: Walter Sobchak at August 10, 2004 12:38 PM "that might help you illustrate" should be either "that might help you understand" or "that might help to illustrate" Posted by: Walter Sobchak at August 10, 2004 12:45 PM No, but your analogy doesn't hold water, because I've read about the entire script of Michael Moore's movie, hence there is no need to pay my money to see it. Malkin seems to be using a startling angle to make a point, and given her previously extremely well-researched work and meticulous attention to detail, a comparison to Moore is not in order. I'm sure the book at least demands a more thorough analysis than casual condemnation. In addition, I guess we've both read Instapundit's ENTIRE commentary on the matter, and I find it straight-up ridiculous that you interpret Instapundit's posts (including his prominent posting of criticisms of the book) as some form of strong endorsement. Looks like somebody had a visit from the Kool-Aid man ... Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 12:53 PM Any irony in the Racial Slur db in using a slur to define another slur? Cabbage (an apparent slur on whites) is defined as: "Small town farm trash that wore spotted welder beanie caps and carried concealed knives to school." "trash?" did you say? Naah, couldn't be. Posted by: TMarcell at August 10, 2004 12:59 PM Speaking as a "51st Stater" from that top of that racial abuse list: Canadians are not a race. Feel free to abuse us on other grounds. Posted by: Ghost of a flea at August 10, 2004 01:45 PM Please warn me before reading the funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 10, 2004 01:46 PM Canadians are not a race. Bullshit. I've seen how you guys all talk with no jaw hinge on South Park ... Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 01:46 PM *Insert maniacal laughter here* Great job Bill. I rooted through the racial slur database when Oliver first linked it and shared a lot of the thoughts you had. But it never entered my mind to turn it into a blastingly funny piece of satire. Solid work chief. Posted by: Beck at August 10, 2004 01:51 PM Satire? Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 01:54 PM "Most Asians in non-asian countries are cooks" Huh, and here I figured they were all either engineers or dry cleaners. Posted by: andy at August 10, 2004 02:04 PM Did anyone notice the definition of "Jew"? Short for Jewish. Not really a slur but could be if you say it the right way. So this might be a racist site or a humor site, but definitely not a Liberal site. Just sayin' Posted by: Gordon at August 10, 2004 02:27 PM "right way" does not connotate endorsement, Gordon. It's commonly a neutral term that indicates intention. Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 02:30 PM Geez Bill, there you go again. I wasn't comparing Malkin to Moore, I was comparing how you and I might see them from our own perspectives. Big difference. Sort of like I know Bill O'Reilly wasn't really comparing Media Matters to the KKK the other night on Tim Russert, just using an example of people on the extremes of the opposite side who would seem equivalently distasteful. I can't stand Michelle Malkin, you can't stand Michael Moore. That's all, nothing more. I would never compare Malkin to Moore, especially after this book. With Moore, I object to the hyper-paranoia, lack of internal consistency, presentation of connections which are tenuous at best as solid components of his case as a whole, and overall shallow, immature understanding of international affairs and the business world. In other words, my critical view is based on methodological factors, not the basic premise. With Malkin, it's both. Her research is weak at best, as Eric Muller points out in his serial critique over at Volokh. She seems to start out with a clear agenda, which is to justify any anti-terrorism measures that target Muslims and Arabs. I don't care how she couches her phrasing, the subtext is that we did it to the Japanese, it worked, it really wasn't all that bad, and we can do it to the Muslims if need be. I won't lie to you: my reaction to the book is still in the "seething fury" phase. Muller's criticism just provides the factual basis for that. I can even very grudgingly acknowledge the point that it seems Malkin is trying to make: that we may need to consider otherwise-unthinkable options for dealing with terrorism. Internment camps are not an option to me, no matter how far the terrorism goes, and this premise, coming from a wingnut like Malkin, only exacerbates the rest. Once I can manage to do so without seeing red, I'll read Michelle's responses to Muller and her other defenses of the book. I have a hard time believing I'll be convinced. As for Instapundit: he now has a blogad for the book. That's as far as I got, and I haven't visited his site again since seeing it. "Moderate", indeed. Posted by: Walter Sobchak at August 10, 2004 02:31 PM 1. "there you go again" What the hell is that supposed to mean? There YOU go again, getting political and way too in depth in your analysis of a humor post. Perhaps that's a left-wing problem - you guys are so fucking earnest. Lighten up - I don't REALLY think taht Oliver was super-serious about his racism charge, but I also think that he was a maroon for even suggesting it. 2. "he now has a blogad for the book." So what?! He's also featured Blogads for left-wing state and national candidates, The New Republic and anti-Bush sites. Fine, seethe all you want over her book, that's your call, but I am sick-and-tired of people looking to drag Reynolds into some notion of not being moderate, or being a closet hyperpartisan. Reynolds certainly leans right on many issues, but he also leans left on many others and nearly ALWAYS treats both topics with analysis instead of rhetoric. He's about the best anyone can ask for in the way of a reasonable partisan. Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 02:43 PM At the risk of Sobchaking you (new definition, look it up), if I were a thin-skinned PC type I would bend over backward to avoid appearing to endorse racist terminology. Posted by: Gordon at August 10, 2004 03:00 PM You misspelled your word, it comes up with no def. Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 10, 2004 03:01 PM What the hell is that supposed to mean? Please see Ardolino, Bill, "Looks like somebody had a visit from the Kool-Aid man ...". I didn't think there was any call for that. Fine, seethe all you want over her book, that's your call, but I am sick-and-tired of people looking to drag Reynolds into some notion of not being moderate, or being a closet hyperpartisan. I'm not trying to "drag Reynolds" into anything. I'm reacting to this specific issue. Take a page out of your own book for just one second: the "Moderate, indeed" comment was just a joke, playing on Glenn's favorite word. Yes, he is a moderate, there's no question about it, although while not "hyperpartisan", he is at least partisan to a significant degree. He's also a big boy, and doesn't need you to defend his honor, so take it easy as far as that goes. Maybe I'll read his actual posts about the topic and come back with a mea culpa if he hasn't joined the chorus of praise and pre-emptive defense from the right wing, but I think I'm entitled to a little annoyance at the ad itself... especially since I specifically thought to myself before seeing it that if there was one right-wing site that wouldn't have an ad for the book, it would be Instapundit. Because he's a moderate. And Michelle Malkin is a total whackjob. Whatever... I think your post yesterday pretty much summed up my mental state right now as well. I'm having a difficult time finding much reason for optimism no matter who wins the election, and a lot of reason to think that the worse of the two evils is going to win in any case. The Malkin book is just the latest contributing factor to my overall pessimism. Posted by: Walter Sobchak at August 10, 2004 03:38 PM Famous NBA "bad-boy" and white guy Bill Laimbeer was a sleestak. Unbelievably, this information seems pertinent to the discussion here. Posted by: Rob A. at August 10, 2004 07:04 PM That database is FoS. Us redskins have real drugs - tell them to Google Pey-o-te sometimes. When I was in high school, huffing paint and gas was a cheap high that middle class white kids did. 'Course, that *was* over 25 years ago... Posted by: Ironbear at August 10, 2004 08:23 PM To misquote Tom Lehrer-- "When correctly viewed, everything is racist." Posted by: Raoul Ortega at August 10, 2004 09:26 PM Man, it sucks to be me. From solid Kraut decent, even if you do use a slur, I've got to wait in line a long time before it's my turn for my reparations, assuming that reparations occur in a last oppressed, first redressed fashion. And how do I go about suing the Roman Empire anyway? Posted by: krakatoa at August 10, 2004 10:34 PM You do know I was joking about the kool-aid thing, right? Your ribbing of me was on topic and not personal, unlike Protein Wisdom and that Ace guy (whose readers keep calling me a "nigger" in my comments). Posted by: Oliver at August 11, 2004 01:49 AM Yeah, I didn't think you were serious, and my insults will typically stick to lampooning your ridiculous talking points. But I DO think that you should ditch that horribly racist shirt. Posted by: Bill from INDC at August 11, 2004 07:54 AM this entire post is manic depressive. Posted by: clay at August 12, 2004 09:59 AM Huh? Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 12, 2004 04:39 PM Thanks for the props Bill. I probably wouldn't have noticed the shirt, but about half of my state (OK) is Indian so I've met a few people that seem genuinely offended by the Redskins name, but I've met even more that couldn't give a darn less about it. Besides, pointing out liberal hypocrisy is a favorite sport. I don't think Ace should be held responsible for his reader's posts either. Posted by: michael dennis at August 12, 2004 07:38 PM To correctly quote Tom Lehrer: "Oh, the Black folks hate the White folks. -National Brotherhood Week Posted by: cheshirecat at August 12, 2004 11:50 PM Oops, I goofed: " Posted by: cheshirecat at August 12, 2004 11:52 PM |
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