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May 12, 2004
I Watched It

Posted by Bill

I didn't want to; I really had little morbid curiosity ... but I made myself watch it. I tend to think that many people should take the opportunity to get a good, hard look at the hideous face of Islamofascism.

But his family ...

Berg's mother said the family had not seen the tape and were still trying to decide whether to view it. They had been having trouble accessing it because of a slow computer connection.

For God's sake I hope that the family members do not watch that video. It's too difficult.

For those of you that decide to watch it, please be warned - it's extremely graphic and beyond disturbing. I debated whether or not to link to it, but it's too important. The abstract visualization of this horror does not serve justice.

Posted by Bill at May 12, 2004 12:01 AM | TrackBack (4)

Comments

i started to watch it, but something just told me to close the window, so i've seen the yahoos reading their statement. and i stopped there. and i'm happy i did. i figure that's why they put it on the net, was for me, and people like me to see it. so i choose to disobey.

i'm mad enough. and i'll take your word for it, that they did it.

i'm really at the point where i lose any and all remorse for what happens to them.

Posted by: mlah at May 11, 2004 11:13 PM

Every adult should watch it, except maybe those who knew him and would be distrubed on a different level entirely.

Not to create "rage," but because that's the reality of what happens when real people are really executed. While continued viewing might desensitize many to violence, that's a small price to pay for absorbing what really happens in the world. And, yes, its better to know than not to know.

Posted by: rpongett at May 11, 2004 11:56 PM

I forced myself as I think any good Liberal should.
I think we owe it to ourselves to protect ourselves from nothing when it comes to data.

And I saw it.
And I nearly vomited. But I'd seen Mr. Pearl so I had an idea of what to expect. These idiots didn't even know how to correctly behead, for god's sake. (clearly they began at the back of the neck like idiots and not the front which explains that scream and the horrible, long death.)

What ever -oh so momentary- "high ground" the Islamic community had (if they had iut) as wiped (excuse me, beheaded) away.

Yes there were US kids who did "wrong" and will and shall be delt with correctly - and we need to see how far up the chain of command that crapola went. It is one thing for 5 or 6 criminals to do what thugs do (east or west) yet it's a world apart from being a bunch of masked thugs to being an occupating force in the name of a nation that stands (and hopes) for a better world.

Let us punish the kids who need to be punished and let us find the murderers who need to be brought to justice. Different offenses and way different punishments. Same lack of humantity but for the scale (which is no small theing). Yet the one "ugly-light" goes so easily to the next "uglye-dark" but still our nation stands for the hope of so much more. Which is why what happens in our name via US forces is different than a band of arab thugs.

It is why we must expect so much more.
We expect more of OURSELVES so that an example might be set of the kind of world we could have.

We didn't got into Iraq (which I supported then and still do even as a dreaded "Liberal") to faulter now that the going has gotten very tough indeed. We certainly didn't go in to compete with a handful of criminals and to drop our moral compass at the first sign of their random murder(s).

Posted by: Debra at May 12, 2004 12:16 AM

Iwo Jima 1945: 6,821 US Marines killed, 19,217 wounded. For one island. The going has gotten 'very tough indeed', has it?

Good lord what a pussy generation we are. And befor you get too self-righteous, yes I include myself in that.

Posted by: Amos at May 12, 2004 07:24 AM

Debra: We certainly didn't go in to compete with a handful of criminals and to drop our moral compass at the first sign of their random murder(s).

Deb, if you're a Liberal, then I need to completely rethink my position. I couldn't agree more. There is such a thing as a "moral high ground" and these thugs (and our anti-war activists) don't even know what is looks like.

Posted by: Gordon at May 12, 2004 08:26 AM

I haven't watched the video yet. I couldn't get onto a server for it last night. I want the people who did it found and punished.

I just worry that some people are going to decide that this incident makes all Muslims guilty of a minority's crimes.

--|PW|--

Posted by: pennywit at May 12, 2004 09:46 AM

Until each and every muslim person stands up and condemns this atrocity, until they one and all seek to find and destroy elements such as the ones who purpetrated this crime against humanity, I WILL blame all muslims.

More and more, they (muslims) appear to be the product of a hopelessly insane culture.

Posted by: bkayel at May 12, 2004 11:02 AM

I have not watched it and do not plan on watching it. I figure I don't need to see it to understand what kind of monsters we're up against. Then again, I figured that out on 9-11-01...

Posted by: Tom at May 12, 2004 03:12 PM

Bkayel:

You are just wrong.

Not every Muslim has to do any one thing or even CAN do any one thing anymore than the insane Americans.
Shall we cite our own "home-grown" terrorists (Oklahoma City) as cause to hate and/or distrust ALL Americans?

Of course not.
Which proves you are a blathering idiot and a bigot in the true sense.

Congratulations,

Debra

Posted by: debra at May 12, 2004 09:12 PM

Debra,
Just to point out the fact that Americans reacted with disgust and revulsion when we witness our "home grown" terrorist. We don't celebrate the atrocities our people commit. There is also a BIG difference between humiliation and beheading.

Dorothy

Posted by: Dorothy at May 13, 2004 09:14 AM

You can also find the video links on my blog(click my name). I want everybody to see the evil we are fighting.

Posted by: Ricky Vandal at May 13, 2004 11:21 AM

I have not watched, nor will I, mostly out of respect for the family. I do not have to "see" the horror to cognitively comprehend the type of evil our nation is up against. I fully support whatever it takes to see that justice is done.

Oh, and for those in politics/media who keep calling this an "execution," for what crime was Mr. Berg guilty of? This was cold-blooded, gutless, cowardly murder - nothing less.

Posted by: Rob at May 13, 2004 01:12 PM

Comment deleted due to blatant racism. - there is a diffrence between "muslims" and "Islamofascists."

Posted by: Bill from INDC at May 13, 2004 09:01 PM

Amos,

Re: Iwo Jima casualties.

Today BBC headlined the gunfights in Najaf as a "Battle Raged - 7 killed."

Iwo Jima was a raging battle. Today's skirmish in Najaf was a bank heist gone bad, a traffic accident, etc..

Posted by: The Commissar at May 14, 2004 10:44 PM

The beauty (at least one of the beauties) of living here and now is that the human being is an individual, not just a faceless serf or one of Stalin's statistics.

The hitch introduced by modern communications is that when such an individual who has consciously decided to risk his life for something greater dies in combat, we know his name, hometown, first crush, and favorite flavor of ice cream within hours. In a way this is good, but it also grants the complacent and cowardly men/women living stateside unlimited freedom to freak out about it.

Would D-Day have happened as it did if CNN had bureau chiefs in and crews reporting live from Utah, Omaha, Gold, Juno, and Sword?

Posted by: Stan at May 15, 2004 10:56 PM

Pics of naked iraqis "notice lower case" was nothing more than photos from a iraqi gay life magazine called allah akbar.

Posted by: The Amazing Mohammed at May 16, 2004 06:40 PM